Hello,
I understand. But for users who use x then using speakup is difficult.
It doesn't pose a problem when only in console mode.
I've used all the applications you've mentioned under Alsa as well. when
I first started using Linux I used mostly the console. Later on as time
went by I started using X more and more. While I still use the console
I'm in X a lot of the time.
If Speakup doesn't play nice with Pulse for ages to come I'd understand why.
I'd think though that even for Speakup to be more portable it would
serve better in user space.
Since it currently has to play sound via root that allows you to get
access to the login prompt. Add to that though I wonder if speechd-up
would solve this problem for Speakup to be running threw
speech-dispatcher making everything use one server for speech for
accessibility.
I'm not sure that Pulse can issue sound to a processes running as a daemon.
Just my two cents.
Alonzo
On 02/15/2016 02:39 PM, Kirk Reiser wrote:
That may be true for X applications but for pure text console it
certainly is not. I removed pulse audio many years ago and all apps I
use on a daily bases such as espeakup, mplayer, aplay, linphone and
pjsua etc work just fine without pulse audio. They also work in stand
alone or with many occurrences running at the same time.
Kirk
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016, Alonzo Cuellar wrote:
the problem is... Most applications require pulseaudio. You can
choose not to use it, but I'd think that would limit yourself not
using certain environments.
Alonzo
On 02/14/2016 09:21 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
Oops, I miswrote. The fix here is to compile espeakup against
pulseaudio. This change should not be made upstream, since that would
mean espeakup depends on pulseaudio, and there's certainly no reason
for that.
Greg
On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 08:10:01PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
In my experience, speakup works just fine on a system without
pulseaudio installed. I don't see what the complaint is about below.
Greg
On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 09:14:40PM -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:
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From: kendell clark <coffeekingms@xxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: [Support] status of our new images and a request
hi
We've been wanting to make one for a while. We keep running into
either 1, issues with speakup when pulse audio is running, been
present for years and no one will own up to it or 2, brltty, which
can work as a console screen reader. Right now it doesn't support
the espeak fork, called espeak-ng, which sonar has switched to
using. It's rather embarrassing, and my own personal opinion is that
all the blind users who care about command line access, storm comes
to mind, should band together and bug the shit out of the speakup
people until they fix their bug. It's actually a combination of
speakup, and the fact that speakup runs in the kernel, which means
it runs as root, which means it's not subject to user permissions.
Why that means it doesn't produce sound I'm not sure, but it
doesn't. If pulse audio isn't running this just works, but otherwise
... shrug.
Thanks
Kendell clark
Simon Eigeldinger via Support wrote:
Hi,
ah sorry forgot about the command line users.
maybe interesting when there will be maybe some console based sonar
isos.
greetings,
simon
Am 14.02.2016 um 17:40 schrieb Jude DaShiell:
youtube-viewer I use on talkingarch and would install and use
that if
accessible in graphical environment if accessible. When I want to
search for channels in youtube-viewer I know how to do that.
On Sun, 14 Feb 2016, Simon Eigeldinger via Support wrote:
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 05:23:12
From: Simon Eigeldinger via Support <support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@xxxxxx>
To: support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Support] status of our new images and a request
Hi,
Here's my take at the package liss:
packages-desktop:
maybe getting ried of:
elinks: Is someone using that? seems not to work on my system.
youtube-viewer: never used it used firefox.
rythmbox: replacing it with audacious? gtk ipod tool is
installed as
well. no good solution?
Maybe packages to be added:
veracrypt from aur: disk and container encryption tool. pretty
accessible.
audacious: maybe better than rythmbox
corebird: twitter client. pretty accessible.
packages-gnome: no ideas what to remove or add.
packages-mate: no ideas what to remove or add.
greetings,
simon
Am 14.02.2016 um 02:58 schrieb kendell clark via Support:
hi
Here goes. Packages-desktop, which is common packages that
both gnome
and mate use, is pasted hear.
http://paste.pound-python.org/show/4Ykrak83Bhg4BjZF2EmH/.
Packages-gnome
can be seen hear.
http://paste.pound-python.org/show/o03gJEMO8B4IyN81dOcw/.
Packages-mate
can be seen hear,
http://paste.pound-python.org/show/RDbaW2X3Legc3zLOt63Y/.
Thanks
Kendell clark
Hadi via Support wrote:
Kendell, Is it possible that you pastebin the mentioned files
so we
could take a look at it? There are some great pastebin sites
like
slexy.org.
On 2/13/2016 2:56 PM, kendell clark via Support wrote:
hi all
Well, it's been long enough. I've been working with phil and
teo to
improve the accessibility of calamares, but it's just not
there yet
so I'm going to release new gnome and mate images with our old
installer, thus, instead. I've waited more than long enough and
I'll
write back in as soon as the 32 bit and 64 bit images are
uploaded.
Before I upload the images though, I want to do some serious
cleanup
on our software selection. I've tried installing just about
every
piece of software under the sun that a blind person might
possibly
want on the live image, mainly to show a newcomer exactly what
linux
can do. But I think it's more than past time to thin the
selection,
at least on the live images, considerably. Would all of you who
can,
clone our software repository and look at the Packages-Desktop
file,
as well as the main packages-gnome and packages-mate files
and tell
me what software can be cut? The image sizes are getting out of
control, they've just surpassed the 2.0 gb mark, and I'd
like to
trim
that down. To get our git repository, open a terminal and
issue the
following commands. Git clone
https://github.com/manjaro/manjaro-tools-iso-profiles.git.
Wait for
it to clone, it shouldn't take too long, then change into the
folder,
then into the sonar folder. The packages-desktop file is shared
between the gnome and mate profiles, so it's in the shared
folder.
The others are in the gnome and mate folders, respectively.
Again,
I'll write back in when the images are uploaded but I'll
wait on
community feedback so I know what to remove, and once I have
that,
I'll then build the images and upload them to sourceforge. I'm
really
sorry for the long delay, but I was trying to get calamares
into a
usable state, but it's just not there yet. Thank you all of
you who
have been patient and waiting for new images, it's
definitely been
a
little more trouble than last time, that's for sure, grins.
Thanks
Kendell clark
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