Well, I have made things worse but am not sure how I did it except that I tried altering the gnome console similar to the instructions but, obviously I didn't do any good. Now, I don't even get the login prompt from orca and when I kill gdm3, speakup does come back to life but isn't connected to anything. If I switch consoles, say, alt-F2, that console works and then the original tty1 works if I return to it but the orca login seems to be a thing of the past. I am getting closer to just blowing the whole thing away and starting over as the whole system so far, is a monument to frustrated attempts to get orca to work. The only reason why I haven't done this yet is that the new wheezy netinstall disk doesn't talk yet. When looking at the text files tied to the function keys on the wheezy netinstall disk, it says the speakup option for booting is not available on some images. Is the netinstall disk one of those since it is slimmed down? I can certainly get the standard disk1 image if that is the case. I am so tired of silent boots without so much as a beep, counting key presses that silently do something but who knows what and other complex tasks with no feedback at all. This is the electronic equivalent of a dog's chew toy. Spend hours and hours and nothing really changes. Sorry for the rant and thanks for all the good suggestions. Except for gnome, this system seems healthy so I would rather fix it than do the Windows-ish thing of just reinstalling because there is no way to know what got clobbered. Martin Kyle writes: > OK, so my talking login instructions won't help, as it appears you > already have that enabled. Instead, perform almost the same steps after > login, except you will be pressing the right arrow key twice instead of > once. So you will login normally and then wait about a minute or two for > GNOME to load completely. Then press alt-control-tab, right arrow twice, > down arrow 4 times and then enter. Then go to your Speakup console, > login and then restart gdm > > service gdm restart > > You should be good to go as soon as you login again using Orca.