John: Read Brandon's response to Doug in a previous message. I suspect you can use your current X but I don't think you want to run with your current firefox installed. See Brandon's message for details. On Tue, 4 Jun 2013, covici at ccs.covici.com wrote: > If I am using another frame buffer, will this prevent me from installing > the xvfd? Also, I have firefox already on the system, what will happen > if I try to install clifox? Also, what is the URL to get clifox? > > > Kirk Reiser <kirk at reisers.ca> wrote: > >> On Tue, 4 Jun 2013, Don Raikes wrote: >> >> so knowing that I should include gnome/gdm and then install Clifox is good to know. >> >> You currently only need to have xvfb installed along with python to >> use clifox. The installation script will pull down and install the >> most recent nightly build of firefox. >> >> There is a mailing list wb-subscribe at linux-speakup.org will get you >> added to the list. >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Brandon McGinty-Carroll [mailto:bmmcginty at bmcginty.hopto.org] >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 1:51 PM >>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. >>> Subject: Re: wb web browser >>> >>> Responses are below. >>> Kirk, if you read this, feel free to correct me as needed. >>> >>> Brandon McGinty-Carroll >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 04, 2013 at 11:47:54AM -0400, Doug Smith wrote: >>>> Hi, everyone. I have recently heard about a javascript/ajax capable >>>> browser somehow associated with the speakup project. I cannot find out anything about it on the web, but i am wondering if it would be ok to ask for some information. >>> Ask away. >>>> >>>> You don't know how much this will help me out. If this works, I will >>>> soon be free from the evils of the graphical world. You don't know >>>> what a blessing this will be. I have a few questions I need to ask about this browser before I remove my gnome desktop and the rest of what goes with it and have to try to reinstall. >>> First, don't remove Gnome, GDM, or the like. >>> This solution isn't going to fix you right up, and I'd hate to put you in the position of not being able to access what you need to. >>> The old project was called wb. It was a hand-crafted monstrosity, running Google's JS engin, and a python-based HTML parser. >>> Imagine trying to catch an eliphant in a butterfly net. That was what wb was trying to do with the web. >>> It worked, but not for the needed sites. >>> Let's not relive those days, shall we? >>> The new browser is called Clifox. >>> It is a layer between your text-based console and the firefox web-browser. >>> Firefox runs via xvfb, and runs a plugin called MozRepl, that gives access to Firefoxes internal structure. >>>> >>>> 1. Do you have distribution-specific packages available for wb? I am >>>> using debian testing and everything that works in the console is working like a dream on here, but the desktop screenreader is out. >>> Sounds familiar. I've got GUI issues you wouldn't want to believe on this debian stable machine. >>> We don't have OS specific packages as of now. We've got a shell script that installs the browser. >>>> >>>> 2. What all kinds of media and whatever can this browser handle? >>> Currently, it handles webpages, no more, no less. >>> When I get someone with a working copy of Orca and a GUI, we'll figure out how to get a CLI copy of flash installed, and what we need to do to play other media types. >>>> >>>> 3. Is wb as capable of handling imbedded multimedia as, for example, firefox or something like that? >>> See above. >>>> >>>> 4. What about multimedia streams like radio stations and the like? >>> See above. If firefox can do it, clifox should be able to, given a way to install multimedia plugins without an interactive GUI installer. >>>> >>>> 5. Does wb use helper programs like vlc or mplayer to handle all the different kinds of media that can be found on the web? >>> See above. >>>> >>>> 6. Does it have integration for starting mutt on mailto links on web sites? >>> It does not currently, though there is code for content-type detection and mailcap usage. >>>> >>>> 7. How well does wb work with speakup? >>> It's cli based, so as well as can be expected. We need to add in highlighting for better cursor tracking. >>>> >>>> 8. Is the interface more like w3m which I am really familiar with or does it resemble some other browser such as links or lynx, the cat or whatever? >>> If you have used windows, it is an attempt to emulate browsers on that platform. >>> Images and links are positioned on new lines; keystrokes will be used to move from element to element. >>> W3M is _probably the closest in my opinion. >>>> >>>> 9. I hope wb will have some way to keep all those nose-pieces that run >>>> the web sites from trying to track the movements on their sites. I don't personally think they have the right to people's browsing habits. >>> We can do only what Firefox allows for privacy. >>> However, feel free to add functionality as you need it. >>>> >>>> 10 Can wb be used with surfraw as the browser used when you do a, for >>>> example, >>>> >>>> google fusion reactor >>>> >>>> Will wb come up as the browser for this search? >>>> >>> Probably not. We use NCurses as our GUI toolkit, and I haven't enabled other modes of webpage output. >>> The surfraw project looks awesome, though. Hadn't heard of it before. >>> Again, feel free to add features, or pay me to add them. >>> I happily accept bribes, or coffee. Large amounts of coffee. >>>> 11. If wb is not in a stable version yet, do you have an expected time frame for when it will be? >>> Time frames are nasty things to commit to, especially with something this large. >>> Development is ongoing. >>> Feel free to pull changes from git, and poke and prod me as needed. >>> Kirk Reiser has also been developing Clifox. >>>> >>>> 12. If wb is in a currently stable release, where can I get it? >>> It isn't "stable,", but feel free to give it a shot. >>> You will need git and python2.6+. >>> git clone http://bmcginty.hopto.org/clifox.git >>> Be warned. >>> Because of the configuration that Clifox uses, your current Firefox profiles will be erased. >>> I will work on this soonest, as I can see it becoming quite an issue. >>> Your settings/cookies/passwords Will Be Completely Gone, Forever. >>> Begging nor bribes will get them back. >>> Backup your ~/.mozilla directory before running the install.sh script! >>>> >>>> Thank all of you for any information you can give me. I just heard >>>> about this a few days ago and have been on a quest for it ever since. >>>> I hope to have it on here and working as soon as possible. I hope to see wb packaged for various distributions as soon as possible so that others can enjoy the freedom to, as the song says, "Say goodbye to guiwood." >>> That's the goal for sure. >>> In the long run, though, I'd love to see GUI's get fast enough so that we can mainstream our software usage. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Doug Smith: Special Agent >>>> S.W.A.T Spiritual Warfare and Advanced Technology Forever serving our >>>> LORD and SAVIOUR, JESUS CHRIST. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Speakup mailing list >>>> Speakup at linux-speakup.org >>>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup at linux-speakup.org >>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup at linux-speakup.org >>> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >> >> -- >> Well that's it then, colour me gone! >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup at linux-speakup.org >> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- Well that's it then, colour me gone!
