If I am using another frame buffer, will this prevent me from installing the xvfd? Also, I have firefox already on the system, what will happen if I try to install clifox? Also, what is the URL to get clifox? Kirk Reiser <kirk at reisers.ca> wrote: > On Tue, 4 Jun 2013, Don Raikes wrote: > > so knowing that I should include gnome/gdm and then install Clifox is good to know. > > You currently only need to have xvfb installed along with python to > use clifox. The installation script will pull down and install the > most recent nightly build of firefox. > > There is a mailing list wb-subscribe at linux-speakup.org will get you > added to the list. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brandon McGinty-Carroll [mailto:bmmcginty at bmcginty.hopto.org] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 1:51 PM > > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > > Subject: Re: wb web browser > > > > Responses are below. > > Kirk, if you read this, feel free to correct me as needed. > > > > Brandon McGinty-Carroll > > > > On Tue, Jun 04, 2013 at 11:47:54AM -0400, Doug Smith wrote: > >> Hi, everyone. I have recently heard about a javascript/ajax capable > >> browser somehow associated with the speakup project. I cannot find out anything about it on the web, but i am wondering if it would be ok to ask for some information. > > Ask away. > >> > >> You don't know how much this will help me out. If this works, I will > >> soon be free from the evils of the graphical world. You don't know > >> what a blessing this will be. I have a few questions I need to ask about this browser before I remove my gnome desktop and the rest of what goes with it and have to try to reinstall. > > First, don't remove Gnome, GDM, or the like. > > This solution isn't going to fix you right up, and I'd hate to put you in the position of not being able to access what you need to. > > The old project was called wb. It was a hand-crafted monstrosity, running Google's JS engin, and a python-based HTML parser. > > Imagine trying to catch an eliphant in a butterfly net. That was what wb was trying to do with the web. > > It worked, but not for the needed sites. > > Let's not relive those days, shall we? > > The new browser is called Clifox. > > It is a layer between your text-based console and the firefox web-browser. > > Firefox runs via xvfb, and runs a plugin called MozRepl, that gives access to Firefoxes internal structure. > >> > >> 1. Do you have distribution-specific packages available for wb? I am > >> using debian testing and everything that works in the console is working like a dream on here, but the desktop screenreader is out. > > Sounds familiar. I've got GUI issues you wouldn't want to believe on this debian stable machine. > > We don't have OS specific packages as of now. We've got a shell script that installs the browser. > >> > >> 2. What all kinds of media and whatever can this browser handle? > > Currently, it handles webpages, no more, no less. > > When I get someone with a working copy of Orca and a GUI, we'll figure out how to get a CLI copy of flash installed, and what we need to do to play other media types. > >> > >> 3. Is wb as capable of handling imbedded multimedia as, for example, firefox or something like that? > > See above. > >> > >> 4. What about multimedia streams like radio stations and the like? > > See above. If firefox can do it, clifox should be able to, given a way to install multimedia plugins without an interactive GUI installer. > >> > >> 5. Does wb use helper programs like vlc or mplayer to handle all the different kinds of media that can be found on the web? > > See above. > >> > >> 6. Does it have integration for starting mutt on mailto links on web sites? > > It does not currently, though there is code for content-type detection and mailcap usage. > >> > >> 7. How well does wb work with speakup? > > It's cli based, so as well as can be expected. We need to add in highlighting for better cursor tracking. > >> > >> 8. Is the interface more like w3m which I am really familiar with or does it resemble some other browser such as links or lynx, the cat or whatever? > > If you have used windows, it is an attempt to emulate browsers on that platform. > > Images and links are positioned on new lines; keystrokes will be used to move from element to element. > > W3M is _probably the closest in my opinion. > >> > >> 9. I hope wb will have some way to keep all those nose-pieces that run > >> the web sites from trying to track the movements on their sites. I don't personally think they have the right to people's browsing habits. > > We can do only what Firefox allows for privacy. > > However, feel free to add functionality as you need it. > >> > >> 10 Can wb be used with surfraw as the browser used when you do a, for > >> example, > >> > >> google fusion reactor > >> > >> Will wb come up as the browser for this search? > >> > > Probably not. We use NCurses as our GUI toolkit, and I haven't enabled other modes of webpage output. > > The surfraw project looks awesome, though. Hadn't heard of it before. > > Again, feel free to add features, or pay me to add them. > > I happily accept bribes, or coffee. Large amounts of coffee. > >> 11. If wb is not in a stable version yet, do you have an expected time frame for when it will be? > > Time frames are nasty things to commit to, especially with something this large. > > Development is ongoing. > > Feel free to pull changes from git, and poke and prod me as needed. > > Kirk Reiser has also been developing Clifox. > >> > >> 12. If wb is in a currently stable release, where can I get it? > > It isn't "stable,", but feel free to give it a shot. > > You will need git and python2.6+. > > git clone http://bmcginty.hopto.org/clifox.git > > Be warned. > > Because of the configuration that Clifox uses, your current Firefox profiles will be erased. > > I will work on this soonest, as I can see it becoming quite an issue. > > Your settings/cookies/passwords Will Be Completely Gone, Forever. > > Begging nor bribes will get them back. > > Backup your ~/.mozilla directory before running the install.sh script! > >> > >> Thank all of you for any information you can give me. I just heard > >> about this a few days ago and have been on a quest for it ever since. > >> I hope to have it on here and working as soon as possible. I hope to see wb packaged for various distributions as soon as possible so that others can enjoy the freedom to, as the song says, "Say goodbye to guiwood." > > That's the goal for sure. > > In the long run, though, I'd love to see GUI's get fast enough so that we can mainstream our software usage. > > > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Doug Smith: Special Agent > >> S.W.A.T Spiritual Warfare and Advanced Technology Forever serving our > >> LORD and SAVIOUR, JESUS CHRIST. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Speakup mailing list > >> Speakup at linux-speakup.org > >> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at linux-speakup.org > > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at linux-speakup.org > > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > Well that's it then, colour me gone! > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Your life is like a penny. 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