Ooops, sorry about that. I forgot to save the email with the path yesterday and couldn't bring up the archives site last night so googled and got the 2.0 Users guide. Didn't use speakup for a while at all so keep forgetting some of the changes. I can restart speakup with doubletalk lt by switching synths or even just echoing none and then when it releases ltlk echoing ltlk again. I may have found the problem but not the source of the problem. In /sys/module I have both a speakup_ltlk and a speakup. speakup_ltlk has ser and start under it; speakup has parameters. Should the speakup_ltlk not be there or is this normal? I did try at one point to run ltlk with the debian modules and had it in /etc/modules but I removed it. -- Cheryl "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."