1) don't install on etch since gnopernicus is less than stable that comes with that version and security is an issue. 2) don't install on lenny even with a clean installation aptitude will encounter at least 10 packages with errors it cannot install. Does sid or unstable work any better, I don't know but I'll find that out next after I burn this system to the ground and start over with a clean install. Doing just a gnome package install followed by accessibility packages is no solution either since the system doesn't get configured well enough to remain stable. I don't know if the ubuntu gnome is unique in playing sign on themes after a successful login or not. If no, then there's another oddity to track down. I have an offer of help from someone who can see and knows his way around Linux this weekend. Given the bad state of installation he'll probably just waste his time if he comes over here. I found thepackage in debconf-utils that can write a new Xorg.conf file for a computer. The problem is, after I used that package and rebooted I ended up with a broken gnome installation. If I find where aptitude put those errors, I'll probably show them to Peter Youssef and see what he can make of them. That debconf-utils package in terms of its description is promising if it works and makes effective preseed.cfg files. I have to study that one since it may help me do what I do around here faster in the future. Finally something for any who have managed to get debian gnome up and talking. There is a window manager called ratpoison that's supposed to move everything over onto the keyboard so you don't have to use the mouse for anything once installed. No idea if it works or how it might work. I read about it on a page describing debian's X packages.