Thanks Chuck: I'll look into some of those players you mentioned. I compiled the swftools Tyler recommended but they didn't find any audio in the .swf file which I know is a Chomsky interview so it seems I must do more digging. Maybe I'll try that zine or vlc programs just for grins. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061