Hi chuck. Ok I went and did all that, but for some reason I had to edit lilo.conf manually to get it pointing to the correct kernel image in /boot. I also got the debian reference manual but when trying to get the rutebook package, apt-get said it was "referenced by another package", so I'm not sure what that's all about. I think part of the lilo problem had to do ith the fact that when I did the initial install I let it install grub, having forgotten that I could say no to it since I had a perfectly good boot disk to use. So far, so good, but I think it's time to do a little more reading. I'm sure I'll be back with more questions. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh@xxxxxxxxx> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:48 AM Subject: Re: back again > Dan, > > That is a well known bug that came about because Shane patched the 2.6.8 > kernel with a transitory version of speakup, which of course was fixed <snip>