If voiceover is built-in, does this mean you can configure/install a whole operating system from scratch without sited assistance? I don't know how more built-in you could get then speakup which is patched into the kernel. If you mean comes with linux, well what comes with linux depends on you really. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Jane Lee" <applegoddess at gmail.com>; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 4:29 PM Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review > I have a hard time conceivingg of a kernel based access as "stand > alone." > > Still, but really tickles me is that you mention Speakup in the same > breath with JAWS, and you even mention it first. > > Seems we've arrived. > > Jane Lee writes: > > I'd just like to make it clear that VoiceOver is built into the Mac OS > > X operating system, not a standalone program like speakup or Jaws. > > After Freedom Scientific and others gave up on the Mac platform > > because of the even smaller market, Apple and their devs figured they > > should do all of the accessibility work in house, and that's how > > VoiceOver started. > > > > You cannot, I repeat, cannot, port VoiceOver to another OS like > > Windows or Linux. It relies on the Mac OS too much. This also means > > that VoiceOver cannot work on an iPod. > > > > On another matter, the cheapest Mac out there is 500 dollars, and is > > called the Mac mini. Since the new operating system came out on the > > 29th of April, as of now, if you go online or to a store and buy the > > Mac mini, it will come with the OS and VoiceOver. If you're planning > > on going out maybe today or within the next week, inquire about > > whether or not it comes with Tiger, which is the OS that VoiceOver > > comes with, and not Panther just in case. Be warned, the Mac mini > > does not come with a keyboard, a mouse or a monitor. This computer > > was meant for PC and Mac users already with older computers that don't > > mind keeping their old setups. Mac laptops, such as the iBook or the > > Powerbook, start at around 1000 dollars. > > > > Voiceover is not an additional application that you have to pay for, > > it comes with the OS, which is 129 dollars. Some third party > > retailers will have it at a discounted price, while schools, teachers > > and college students will be able to buy the OS from Apple or a > > university bookstore at the education price, which is 69 dollars. A > > "family pack" that gives you a license for use up to 5 computers is > > 200 dollars but has restrictions and only comes with one install disk. > > > > Personally, I haven't been able to try out VoiceOver much on my Mac, > > but I found that the accessible installation of OS X, the VoiceOver > > enabled login menu and the overall integration makes it fun and easy > > to use. There's no serial number to install the OS and there's no > > activation (like Windows) either. > > > > If you have any specifics on how to use a Mac, go to the local Apple > > retail store and ask one of the people there. The genius bar at all > > the stores should be able to help you out with setup (like turning on > > VoiceOver for the first time). If you have technical questions on > > problems with your Mac, feel free to drop me an email :) I can help > > out with most of the smaller issues. > > > > If you're looking for anything in particular though (about Apple, > > their computers, anything, really) feel free to drop me an email. > > > > cheers > > jane > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > > Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.494.7040 > Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com > > Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) > janina at freestandards.org http://a11y.org > > If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem. > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
