As I understand it, there is nothing to install at all. its a part of the system. Karen On Mon, 2 May 2005, Sean McMahon wrote: > If voiceover is built-in, does this mean you can configure/install a whole > operating system from scratch without sited assistance? I don't know how more > built-in you could get then speakup which is patched into the kernel. If you > mean comes with linux, well what comes with linux depends on you really. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at rednote.net> > To: "Jane Lee" <applegoddess at gmail.com>; "Speakup is a screen review system for > Linux." <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 4:29 PM > Subject: Re: Planning a VoiceOver Main Menu Review > > >> I have a hard time conceivingg of a kernel based access as "stand >> alone." >> >> Still, but really tickles me is that you mention Speakup in the same >> breath with JAWS, and you even mention it first. >> >> Seems we've arrived. >> >> Jane Lee writes: >>> I'd just like to make it clear that VoiceOver is built into the Mac OS >>> X operating system, not a standalone program like speakup or Jaws. >>> After Freedom Scientific and others gave up on the Mac platform >>> because of the even smaller market, Apple and their devs figured they >>> should do all of the accessibility work in house, and that's how >>> VoiceOver started. >>> >>> You cannot, I repeat, cannot, port VoiceOver to another OS like >>> Windows or Linux. It relies on the Mac OS too much. This also means >>> that VoiceOver cannot work on an iPod. >>> >>> On another matter, the cheapest Mac out there is 500 dollars, and is >>> called the Mac mini. Since the new operating system came out on the >>> 29th of April, as of now, if you go online or to a store and buy the >>> Mac mini, it will come with the OS and VoiceOver. If you're planning >>> on going out maybe today or within the next week, inquire about >>> whether or not it comes with Tiger, which is the OS that VoiceOver >>> comes with, and not Panther just in case. Be warned, the Mac mini >>> does not come with a keyboard, a mouse or a monitor. This computer >>> was meant for PC and Mac users already with older computers that don't >>> mind keeping their old setups. Mac laptops, such as the iBook or the >>> Powerbook, start at around 1000 dollars. >>> >>> Voiceover is not an additional application that you have to pay for, >>> it comes with the OS, which is 129 dollars. Some third party >>> retailers will have it at a discounted price, while schools, teachers >>> and college students will be able to buy the OS from Apple or a >>> university bookstore at the education price, which is 69 dollars. A >>> "family pack" that gives you a license for use up to 5 computers is >>> 200 dollars but has restrictions and only comes with one install disk. >>> >>> Personally, I haven't been able to try out VoiceOver much on my Mac, >>> but I found that the accessible installation of OS X, the VoiceOver >>> enabled login menu and the overall integration makes it fun and easy >>> to use. There's no serial number to install the OS and there's no >>> activation (like Windows) either. >>> >>> If you have any specifics on how to use a Mac, go to the local Apple >>> retail store and ask one of the people there. The genius bar at all >>> the stores should be able to help you out with setup (like turning on >>> VoiceOver for the first time). If you have technical questions on >>> problems with your Mac, feel free to drop me an email :) I can help >>> out with most of the smaller issues. >>> >>> If you're looking for anything in particular though (about Apple, >>> their computers, anything, really) feel free to drop me an email. >>> >>> cheers >>> jane >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> -- >> >> Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.494.7040 >> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com >> >> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) >> janina at freestandards.org http://a11y.org >> >> If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >
