This is bullshit! There are extremely powerful editors you can use and they work just fine. Either vim or emacs can do just about anything you want and they work fine with the cvs cursor tracking code. Cursor tracking works fine under speakup 1.5 except it doesn't automatically speak but the cursor should track no problems. On the other hand nobody should be using speakup 1.5 anymore. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061