What you say applied equally to Gnome/Gnopernicus. Gnopernicus will only work with Gnome apps that are written to conform to Gnome standards. If custom widgets are developed, the developer must implement accessibility. For Mac all Cocoa apps without custom widgets get automatic accessibility, but go a bit off the track and you'll have to implement your own accessibility to support custom widgets. Carbon apps are generally not going to be accessible unless the author puts work in to make this happen. Apps that run in the Unix, Classic or Java modes of OS x are almost certainly not going to be accessible in Spoken Interface 1.0 - and remember, Spoken Interface 1.0 is (at my guess) about a year away. Saqib -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Shaun Oliver Sent: 19 March 2004 04:18 To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: Here maybe a solution to speech in X Windows: from what I'm reading on this thread alone, if it ain't built to apple's specs it ain't gonna work. kinda like some windows apps they ain't built to use the common interfaces and apis that microslop have begrudgingly made available. Therefore, we have a small matter of a good many apps that I'd like to occasionally use under windblows requiring extensive scripting if you're using jaws or extensive set file manipulation if you're using window eyes. it's about time there was a good screen access solution for mac. it's something else for me to try at some point down the track. -- Shaun Oliver