*SNIP* the+voice interface Apple is building relies on applications using the Apple +developer tools according to spec. Where they go off spec, those apps will not +be accessible. Here's the headline, X is not developed with that toolkit. Do you understand this yet? Guys, janina and hank both have a point. from what I'm reading on this thread alone, if it ain't built to apple's specs it ain't gonna work. kinda like some windows apps they ain't built to use the common interfaces and apis that microslop have begrudgingly made available. Therefore, we have a small matter of a good many apps that I'd like to occasionally use under windblows requiring extensive scripting if you're using jaws or extensive set file manipulation if you're using window eyes. it's about time there was a good screen access solution for mac. it's something else for me to try at some point down the track. -- Shaun Oliver "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person." email: shaun.oliver at optusnet.com.au WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/~blindman/ IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666 IRCNICK: blindman -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support.