It could have gotten lost in the mailman updates I was doing last night. All the mailing lists have been behaving rather sluggish so I upgraded last night to see if that would take care of the problem. I'll look into the cvs list problem if there is one. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061