No those are not normal. I recommend you get a kernel later than 2.4.22, 2.4.25 works well except I've heard there may be a bug in speakup introduced last week. I haven't had a chance to check it yet but will probably get around to it fairly soon. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061