Actually, blinux gets a lot more upset about what's ontopic and what's not than Speakup does, imho. I actually got a "don't post offtopic" letter from Hans once even though what I was posting really was about access in linux, but I think he misunderstood what my question was. I'm very jumpy about what I post on blinux--no offense to people on both lists as I am myself. -- Cheryl "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."