Hello Greg, Some people learn better by trial and error, as opposed to reading a manual. You mentioned "laziness or impatient". I must admit that I am sometimes too impatient to read a manual, but there I must just consider this a learning style. Where I can spend hours figuring out a program or O S, and not be frustrated, I sometimes find it difficult to read a manual, and read through 80% of material covering common sense, and 10% of stuff I will never need, only to get to a small portion of help that I really need. So when someone asks me if I read the manual, I want to ask them something rude in return, but I don't. I think this is one of the reasons a list like this exists. If I am wrong, I'll be glad to leave. Glenn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:26 PM Subject: Re: I'm sorry, but I'm desperet By asking if Chris had read the docs, I was simply attempting to determine which parts of the configuration he was specifically having trouble with. Configuring alsa can be an involved process, and I didn't want to give an unnecessarily long explanation, when I could have spent the same amount of time addressing a particular issue in more detail. Also, I am finding that I need to ask people if they have read the documentation, as unfortunate as that may be. The sad fact is that most people expect someone else to do everything for them, while they expect to learn nothing about it, and take advantage of the other person's work on their behalf at the same time. I don't mind teaching and explaining whatever I can. However I do mind if someone just expects me to do all the work for them because they're to lazy/impatient to read up on the procedure themselves. Note that