Go figure. They contacted me a long time ago and wanted to know if I'd port speakup to gentoo. I said no because I didn't deal with various distributions but they could get a nice script which would automagically patch their kernels for them. I have no idea where the rpm reference came from, it certainly wasn't me. Maybe this guy is confused and he is mixing-up me and Bill. I know that Toby Fisher and Doug Loller are both using gentoo. Whether they have decided to include speakup into the distribution or just patch it in after the fact I can't say. I'm sure they can though. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061