It is self-centered to say that some certain kind of html markup is accessible because it can be read by a screen reader. Many people make this kind of mistake. The self-centerdness here is the assumption that accessibility is just about blind people who use screen readers. It's not. It isn't even just just about blind people. People who live with low vision, for example, have very different needs than screen reader users. So, also do people with mobility disabilities. The list goes on. I do believe I pointed this out in my message. I do feel I'm repeating myself here. Sina Bahram writes: > From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram at nc.rr.com> > > Hello again. You ask me not to be self centered, and not more than a > breath before that you state that you are not making a personal attack. > When I attempted to offer help, I was not being or trying to be self > centered or in any other way inconsiderate of any other disabilities. I > would of hoped that being disabled yourself, or dealing with people who > are disabled...you would understand that no one in that position would > ignore a disability. At least, I know I do not do so on purpose. You > also write the following > > "...may I say that I do not regard it appropriate to recommend any old > approach neither on this list nor anywhere else..." > > Along with this > > "...By the way, the <pre> tag is not outdated. It has a purpose and > should be used for that purpose and not suborned..." > > > For someone who recommends everybody to a document, the w3c, I would > urge you to consider your own writings more carefully and in short make > up your mind. However, I would be more than happy to welcome any > discussion about any disabilities that I am discriminating against by > recommending the use of the PRE tag, I would ask you to be precise and > to have evidence to back up your emotionally charged statements and > proclamations. > > > You also state in your email > > "...I would ask you, as I ask myself and all others, to apply a little > judgement to the advice offered here..." > > Which contradicts the following from your previous emails > > "...So, Luke, you're admitting that you're part of the problem on the > web, and not part of the solution?" Which sounds judgemental to me. > > > "Not very good advice, Sina. > > let's not go around inventing this stuff out of ignorance..." Which > sounds insulting to me. > > And in reference to a question you respond with > "...It rather raises the serious question of whether you mean to walk > the walk, or just talk the talk..." Which sounds confrontational and > distinctively not helpful. > > > > I usually do not disagree with people on lists unless if it is over > technical points, and that mostly on programming lists where such > debates are welcome; however, I believe your apparently emotional > approach to this problem and your brunt attitude towards someone who > asked a simple question and towards another who attempted to answer that > question are simply uncalled for. I ask to be corrected, so I leave it > up to you to correct me. I am considering hearing impaired, who can see > the monitar, or both hearing and visual, in which case I would recommend > tactyl access, and I have heard no trouble with a braille display and a > pre element tag. I can think of physical disabilities that manifest > themselves in mobility related issues; however, their vision seems to be > in tact in my examples and so again I state, I can't find a single > disability that the PRE tag discriminates against. > > Please provide evidence for your claims so that I may be corrected, and > if I am corrected then I will thank you for teaching me something, > because as I stated before I am hear to learn; however, I am unclear as > to what your intentions are from the animosity in your emails. > > Have a wonderful day or evening depending on your time zone. > > Also to alex, I am sorry that my response to your question has caused > such turmoil, I would be glad to discuss with you on or offlist some > options you would have that do not include the PRE tag and that would > entail a permanent solution. > > Take care, > Sina > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
