Hello again. You ask me not to be self centered, and not more than a breath before that you state that you are not making a personal attack. When I attempted to offer help, I was not being or trying to be self centered or in any other way inconsiderate of any other disabilities. I would of hoped that being disabled yourself, or dealing with people who are disabled...you would understand that no one in that position would ignore a disability. At least, I know I do not do so on purpose. You also write the following "...may I say that I do not regard it appropriate to recommend any old approach neither on this list nor anywhere else..." Along with this "...By the way, the <pre> tag is not outdated. It has a purpose and should be used for that purpose and not suborned..." For someone who recommends everybody to a document, the w3c, I would urge you to consider your own writings more carefully and in short make up your mind. However, I would be more than happy to welcome any discussion about any disabilities that I am discriminating against by recommending the use of the PRE tag, I would ask you to be precise and to have evidence to back up your emotionally charged statements and proclamations. You also state in your email "...I would ask you, as I ask myself and all others, to apply a little judgement to the advice offered here..." Which contradicts the following from your previous emails "...So, Luke, you're admitting that you're part of the problem on the web, and not part of the solution?" Which sounds judgemental to me. "Not very good advice, Sina. let's not go around inventing this stuff out of ignorance..." Which sounds insulting to me. And in reference to a question you respond with "...It rather raises the serious question of whether you mean to walk the walk, or just talk the talk..." Which sounds confrontational and distinctively not helpful. I usually do not disagree with people on lists unless if it is over technical points, and that mostly on programming lists where such debates are welcome; however, I believe your apparently emotional approach to this problem and your brunt attitude towards someone who asked a simple question and towards another who attempted to answer that question are simply uncalled for. I ask to be corrected, so I leave it up to you to correct me. I am considering hearing impaired, who can see the monitar, or both hearing and visual, in which case I would recommend tactyl access, and I have heard no trouble with a braille display and a pre element tag. I can think of physical disabilities that manifest themselves in mobility related issues; however, their vision seems to be in tact in my examples and so again I state, I can't find a single disability that the PRE tag discriminates against. Please provide evidence for your claims so that I may be corrected, and if I am corrected then I will thank you for teaching me something, because as I stated before I am hear to learn; however, I am unclear as to what your intentions are from the animosity in your emails. Have a wonderful day or evening depending on your time zone. Also to alex, I am sorry that my response to your question has caused such turmoil, I would be glad to discuss with you on or offlist some options you would have that do not include the PRE tag and that would entail a permanent solution. Take care, Sina
