Respectfully, I again ask for any evidence that my advice is contrary to any disabled person's accessing of the text. I myself am low vision, and use screen readers; however, I also use my site when I can. And I am telling you as a user that visually the pre element tag is not inaccessible. It also doesn't present any problems as does any part of the entire internet to a mobility impaired individual. Any part of accessing the internet might present some problems to such an individual; however, my advice delt with the web design of a site and I stand by it until corrected by someone knowledgable about what their talking about, or by someone who can actually provide evidence and proof as you have repeatedly failed to do. You might be repeating yourself, and I am truly sory to hear that, because I have to read your messages as well and be in wonder that someone can be so misinformed and so closed minded about such an issue. I also caution that repeating one's self does not indicate correctness, actually more so than not it indicates error. Luke I look forward to your reply as well. About the byte limitation, just start erasing all the bottom messages other than yours and maybe the message right under yours. That way you'll have the necessary bite size to pass the server. Take care, Sina -----Original Message----- From: speakup-admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:speakup-admin at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:40 AM To: speakup at braille.uwo.ca Subject: Re: text to html It is self-centered to say that some certain kind of html markup is accessible because it can be read by a screen reader. Many people make this kind of mistake. The self-centerdness here is the assumption that accessibility is just about blind people who use screen readers. It's not. It isn't even just just about blind people. People who live with low vision, for example, have very different needs than screen reader users. So, also do people with mobility disabilities. The list goes on. I do believe I pointed this out in my message. I do feel I'm repeating myself here.