Steve, That was my point exactly and the other point is not everyone wants to be an expert. I of course will jump for joy when there's a Linux distro that once the cd is installed, a "non-technical" person could perform any task they can under windows, upgrade software and even possibly kernels with about as much fuss as someone upgrades their windows box. Do I think this could be done and still maintain security and high quality software? Oh yes, I do believe this and its only a matter of time. Guis are not evil also was my other point. I have to say that selectively selecting files with a gui for moving or whatever operation is very handy. On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 08:34:00PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote: > You may well be right. I personally think it more appropriate to > compare sources: Microsoft and other proprietary providers vs the free > software movement and open source initiative. One point I do make > about GUI users vs commandline types is that A good computer expert > will know both methods - especially system/network administrators. An > end user would probably be content with GUI and quick navigation; hey, > I don't mind quick file navigation but command line scripting is > infinitely faster.