That's fine, that's why I want to get used to redhat's look and feel before I actually use it next year, so I'm used to those non-checkbox things that network admins do in linux. Jason Symes kids in the backseat can cause accidents, but accidents in the back seat can cause kids The best measure of a man's honesty isn't his income tax return. It's the zero adjust on his bathroom scale. (Arthur C. Clarke) if you stand for nothing you're liable to fall for anything. If it weren't for bad luck, I wouldn't have any at all! Just trying to plug away!