Actually, my first use of pcs were apple and their gui sucked worse than windows, and keep in mind that apple borrowed their gui from xerox. I have checked for mac addresses in windows, and I don't think its hard at all. I've never had to monkey with irq's before, so I don't know how easy it is. I never said gates was the end all or be all, otherwise I wouldn't be on a linux list trying to figure out how to install linux, now would I? Grin. I guess the point I'm trying to get across by that post is that everybody is used to the windows interface and its many quirks, its that social inertia thing. People these days aren't real willing to try something new, even if its better, because they'd rather stick with the familiar. But you do gotta admit that some things associated with windows are a tad more simple, like the extension conventions windows use. Even someone not used to windows can pretty much guess .txt are text files, .exe are executables, .doc are documents, and so on. What's the apple .sid or the linux .rpm? Not as simple for someone not used to those os's to know what those are, hell I don't even know what .rpm is for. Jason Symes kids in the backseat can cause accidents, but accidents in the back seat can cause kids The best measure of a man's honesty isn't his income tax return. It's the zero adjust on his bathroom scale. (Arthur C. Clarke) if you stand for nothing you're liable to fall for anything. If it weren't for bad luck, I wouldn't have any at all! Just trying to plug away!