There has been recent comments on the copying of Audio CD's on this list using cdrdao. I have some problems I can't seem to clear up and I get absolute no trafic on the cdrdao support list. I get an idea that product is not enjoying any further support. Other than my two queries to the list over the whole week, I received only one message. Anyhow, I notice that when I copy an audio CD with 'cdrdao copy --keep-image' that my songs all start at least two seconds late. It is as if the toc is off by two seconds. I also get as many as a thousand CRC errors while reading the contents. It also can't tell if it is Hex or BCD data and the two generic-mmc option flags don't do any good either. I am using a Creative RW-8438E model burner and this is not listed in their driver base for cdrdao so I have been using the generic-mmc driver. I tried generic-mmc-raw in the recent past with no better results. I really think cdparanoia does a much better job extracting audio but I can't get a useable table of contents that would be compatible with cdrdao or cdrecord with the dao option. Cdrdao shows promise but for my situation I don't feel I can use it effectively for digital audio extraction and accurate copying of CD's. Any ideas from either list?