Ok, I got alsa working. There were two things wrong. first of all, in one place i had a snd where there should have been a sound in my /etc/modutils/alsa. Second 9and this may help the person trying to get it to work with trplayer, etc.) I had left one setting muted that needed to be unmuted, just by missing it. you have to go through and check every single channel for whether or not it is muted. In aumix, pressing 'm" toggles everything; in alsamixer, it toggles only the channel/device you are on. I've still got some fuzziness, so one of the zillion settings or more isn't quite right yet. Wish they'd call all of the settings by plain english names and/or explain what all of them mean. Now I'm trying to figure out how to get my settings to be there when I reboot. I have to type "alsactl restore" to get them back every time I boot. Still not convinced I like the sound better than with oss; too soon to tell until I fine tune. Hope it actually succeeds with the reflector, since that's why I'm doing it. will practice on the echo server before I come in and blast anybody out again. Of course, if I'm deaf after experimenting, you'll be able to hear me, but i won't be able to hear you!