Hi ann and all! Loved your comments; mae me laugh, but it's serious at bottom. Sounds like it's a pain in windows and inaccessible in linux, and even though people have complained, they're still claiming we can do it in linux if we have ssl. The demo page was very straightforward; there's no reason why the rest of it couldn't have been. also, I think there are .brf files as well as VR. these should certainly be accessible; look at the nls site. I do web braille from there with no problem.