Our experience here, is similar. People taught on the MS stuff, come in here, think they're going to make a new world for us all, that will obsolete the current one, but then they learn after a while that netbeue isn't the only of talking to others, and for some reason, basic MS networking doesn't work on a large scale, and visual basic and visual C++ aren't the only languages in the world, and there's more to IP networking then MS said, and it goes on and on. The latest surveys and articles aren't very supportive of java taking over the world like sun and others were supposing, and if you can do something in java, then someone might just come along and write it in C and people will notice just how very much faster it is in C (which just blows java away in speed). Once again, java is a fine object-oriented language, but OO isn't good for everything, in fact, it turns out, that it's a lot more trouble for a lot of things, and it's also the case, that keeping things simple when you can is certainly the best procedure to follow. Brian Borowski On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Victor Tsaran wrote: > Amanda, you are right. I met a lot of so-called "hard coders" during my > studies at the university who thought that they could do everything.I > graduated just a year ago and at my university, Temple University in Philly, > Visual C++ was only a small fraction of the program. Mostly C, Assembly and > C++, but on Unix and VMS. We were given a chance to try Visual C on Win NT > platform, but only for comparison purposes. Now I think Java is overtaking > slowly. > Vic > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amanda Lee" <amanda at shellworld.net> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:36 PM > Subject: Re: Computer Science > > > > Nope, Unix, Mainframes aren't standard anymore. The college grads we get > > these days at Verizon have no clue what Unix or Mainframes are all about. > > Everything is taught on a Windows-based Platform. I believe JAVA is > > taught, probably Visual Basic, Maybe sometimes C Language but usually C > > Plus Plus which was actually abandoned in the project I work on for > > straight C Language. > > > > I would think in the future though, there will be a change back to at > > least teaching Linux since it can run on a less expensive platform. It's > > pretty disgraceful how the content of Computer Sciences education has been > > degraded and these kids coming out have an ego bigger than life and think > > they can take on the World in a day! > > > > They really struggle when they can't understand how to program and the > > quality of code coming out is pretty awful. There is even this mentality > > in the Corporate World which indicates that one can learn everything they > > need to on the job and yet they can't figure out why there are so many > > problems with efficiency and the costs resulting from poor efficiency. > > > > Amanda Lee > > > > > > > > On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 jwantz at hpcc2.hpcc.noaa.gov wrote: > > > > > Hi Chris, > > > I'm not going to get involved in the "bookshare wars', but since you > were > > > chastizing others on this list because most people use WINDOWS and not > > > linux, I think its only fair to point out that your computer science > > > department is very nonstandard. Though I am a meteorologist, not a > > > computer science person, I know many computer science students in the > past > > > and the present. Teaching WINDOWS programming is very nonstandard. I > > > would guess that at least 90 percent of the schools teach programming on > a > > > UNIX variant of some kind. In the past thre was a fair amount of people > > > using VMS. However, a lot of beginning C and C++ classes did use > > > Turbo/Borland. WINDOWS programming is much more difficult than UNIX > > > programming, so I suppose you are to be congratulated for making it > > > through such a tough curriculum. > > > > > > Jim Wantz > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >
