Hi, Thomas: I, for one, would appreciate knowing whether or not bells are supported in grub, somehow. Recall, as you look, that they're not directly supported in lilo. They're a by-product of the display of a message file, which can be made to contain ASCII $7. The other issue is a reliable way to load one kernel (or configuration) versus some other. This would need to be something not based on remembering which one was loaded last time. On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Thomas Ward wrote: > Well, before we rule out bells in Grub I suspect I'll need to do some > research to that effect. I've never tried to see if Grub supports bells.I > merely had it wait a long enough period until I knew it had stopped and then > arrow to the os I want. > However, if there is a chanse it does support bells I will look into it. It > may or may not have it. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Janina Sajka <janina at afb.net> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:59 PM > Subject: Re: Grub was Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux. > > > > Usable and accessible aren't the same thing, though. I think you wrote > > that you give yourself a lot of time to put the grub command in--arrowing > > or whatever you do. If indeed there's no opportunity to insert bell chars, > > or to echo a boot prompt of some kind to a serial device, I would > > certainly adjudicate grub as less accessible. Feedback about what's > > happening, and knowing where you are and what the results of your key > > strokes will be are critical componants of accessibility. > > > > Not that lilo is all that accessible, either. But, there seems to be more > > information there to support eyes-free interfaces. > > On Mon, 4 Mar > > 2002, Thomas Ward wrote: > > > > > Hmmm... Well, both are usable. Lilo verses Grub is more a personal issue > > > rather than an accessible one. > > > Neither boot loader is that dificult when instructed on how to use them, > and > > > if Linux resides as the only os on the system it is likely you may only > have > > > one partition to boot. > > > However, perhaps starting out with lilo won't be a bad choice seeing the > > > number of familiar users. Grub is new, and not a lot of blind Linux > users > > > have switched to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Janina Sajka <janina at afb.net> > > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > > > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 1:52 PM > > > Subject: Re: Grub was Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux. > > > > > > > > > > Let me raise a somewhat more thorny issue here. This topic came up for > us > > > > this morning because a newbie was asking for advice. > > > > > > > > If, as I think we've just established, grub is less accessible than > lilo, > > > > might I suggest that it is inappropriate to recommend the less > accessible > > > > option to a newbie. And, if it is appropriate to recommend it, isn't > it an > > > > ethical responsibility to advise about the accessibility concerns and > the > > > > existence of a more accessible option? I believe this is the > > > > responsibility of those of us with a bit more knowledge and > experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > > Technology Research and Development > > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org
