Well, before we rule out bells in Grub I suspect I'll need to do some research to that effect. I've never tried to see if Grub supports bells.I merely had it wait a long enough period until I knew it had stopped and then arrow to the os I want. However, if there is a chanse it does support bells I will look into it. It may or may not have it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Janina Sajka <janina@xxxxxxx> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:59 PM Subject: Re: Grub was Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux. > Usable and accessible aren't the same thing, though. I think you wrote > that you give yourself a lot of time to put the grub command in--arrowing > or whatever you do. If indeed there's no opportunity to insert bell chars, > or to echo a boot prompt of some kind to a serial device, I would > certainly adjudicate grub as less accessible. Feedback about what's > happening, and knowing where you are and what the results of your key > strokes will be are critical componants of accessibility. > > Not that lilo is all that accessible, either. But, there seems to be more > information there to support eyes-free interfaces. > On Mon, 4 Mar > 2002, Thomas Ward wrote: > > > Hmmm... Well, both are usable. Lilo verses Grub is more a personal issue > > rather than an accessible one. > > Neither boot loader is that dificult when instructed on how to use them, and > > if Linux resides as the only os on the system it is likely you may only have > > one partition to boot. > > However, perhaps starting out with lilo won't be a bad choice seeing the > > number of familiar users. Grub is new, and not a lot of blind Linux users > > have switched to it. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Janina Sajka <janina at afb.net> > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 1:52 PM > > Subject: Re: Grub was Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux. > > > > > > > Let me raise a somewhat more thorny issue here. This topic came up for us > > > this morning because a newbie was asking for advice. > > > > > > If, as I think we've just established, grub is less accessible than lilo, > > > might I suggest that it is inappropriate to recommend the less accessible > > > option to a newbie. And, if it is appropriate to recommend it, isn't it an > > > ethical responsibility to advise about the accessibility concerns and the > > > existence of a more accessible option? I believe this is the > > > responsibility of those of us with a bit more knowledge and experience. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > Technology Research and Development > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > http://www.openebook.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >
