Thanks. I'll take a look at it when redhat finishes downloading and I get it installed. At 01:08 PM 1/3/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Just for your information, there is a braille translator available that >works under Linux. It is called NFBtrans. You can get it at NFB's web >site at www.nfb.org. > > >On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote: > >> Its that instability, lack of consistency, freezing problems, and >> restrictiveness that I'm trying to limit myself on by using linux. I can't >> give up windows for everything, since plenty of businesses are still >> running quite a bit of windows, but linux is popping up in many others >> around my area. Also, my braille translator's a dos/windows app. >> At 10:36 AM 1/3/02 -0500, you wrote: >> > >> >Interesting. I will be interested to hear how it goes for you on linux, >> >then. At least until GNOME access becomes available to us, our linux >> >access is command based, mostly, and somewhat menu based (ncurses). >> > >> >My first computer was the Apple 2. I was a bit of an expert in it. I hated >> >DOS but got good at it. Next, I went to OS/2 and eventually to Windows 95. >> >I did not find gui easy at all, though arrowing around was never the >> >reason. What I found hard was that there did not seem to be enough >> >consistancy as to what "tab" contained what fields and checkboxes. And >> >then there were so many dialogs that didn't talk, or didn't talk well in >> >the early days. On top of that, they would freeze hard several times a >> >day, and sometimes several times an hour. I tell you, I don't miss >> >rebooting like Windows people of yore had to reboot--especially those of >> >us twiddling with configurations. I eventually got comfortable with the >> >gui, but I still hate the instability and the restrictivness. >> > >> > On >> >Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote: >> > >> >> Windows was the first os I sat down and truly learned, and I've found it >> >> vary easy. However, it's that power that windows lacks that I'm trying to >> >> find in linux. >> >> Well, I'm not much of a traveler, or I probably would have gone to some >> >> place like Iowa or Minnesota. >> >> At 06:26 PM 1/2/02 -0500, you wrote: >> >> >Hi, Jason: >> >> > >> >> >Well, I don't think I agree that there's simplicity in Windows. Rather, I >> >> >think it's familiarity, which can make things seem simple and obvious, >> >> >when they're really not. Be that as it may, the result is the same. >> >> > >> >> >As for your college not teaching unix, too bad. Maybe it's time to change >> >> >schools? <grin> I hear the U. of Singapore and many places like it will >> >> >only have FREE software, but I don't really know that for a fact! <bigger >> >> >grin> >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> You caught my drift. Ms's biggest plus is its simplicity, but its >> apps have >> >> >> been stripped of all power to make it that way. >> >> >> The lingo is my toughest problem with linux. The rest seems to be >> nothing >> >> >> in comparison. Its a shame that my college no longer teaches any unix or >> >> >> linux networking concepts, but everything's gone over to win 2k. >> >> >> At 05:03 PM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote: >> >> >> >Jason: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >These are excellent points. I will incorporate them in the HOWTO. I >> have >> >> >> >known for some time that lingo presents a barrier much greater than >> the >> >> >> >actual doing of linux. But, I don't explain this in the HOWTO, and >> it's >> >> >> >worth a sentence or two, and worth a pointer to the Linux for >> DOS/Windows >> >> >> >Users. I'll add those. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Also, I hear your point about the boot disk confusion--or at least I >> >> think >> >> >> >I do. I think its confusion borne of so many options to choose >> amongst, >> >> >> >where Windows really doesn't provide options anything like the way >> linux >> >> >> >does. This is probably worth a few sentences as well. I think the >> message >> >> >> >has to do with power and simplicity being opposites. Power means >> options >> >> >> >and choices which are bound to be confusing at first. Simplicity, on >> the >> >> >> >other hand, means few, if any choices. Did I get your drift? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> I took a peak at the howto file, and, considering how I don't >> understand >> >> >> >> the lingo of linux as well as in windows, it seemed fairly straight >> >> >> >> forward. The only problem I had was with the boot disks stuff, but >> that >> >> >> >> again is because I'm so used to the windows way of things. >> >> >> >> At 11:04 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Hi, Jason: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >What can I say to make my point in just a few words? The links you >> >> found >> >> >> >> >are only pointers to the actual iso files--what we call symbolic >> >> links. >> >> >> >> >They are the result of my attempts to devise a means of streamlining >> >> the >> >> >> >> >distribution both of these iso images and of some of the critical >> >> files >> >> >> >> >within them, without requiring too many people make changes every >> time >> >> >> >> >there's a new release. I tell you this because what you don't see >> >> looking >> >> >> >> >at these symbolic links is how big the files actually are that >> you will >> >> >> be >> >> >> >> >downloading. Essentially, each one is a packed CD ROM. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >I don't say this to discourage you, only to inform you. In fact, if >> >> >> you're >> >> >> >> >willing to work with a draft, you'll find a file called >> >> >> HOWTO-INSTALL.html >> >> >> >> >in the redhat directory that answers your question about whether all >> >> of >> >> >> >> >these files are necessary, and may answer many more questions >> that you >> >> >> >> >have yet to ask. If you're willing to work with a prerelease draft, >> >> take >> >> >> >> >a look at this file. Realize, please, that it isn't finished, and >> >> not all >> >> >> >> >of the links work yet. But please do let me know if this HOWTO helps >> >> you >> >> >> >> >understand what you need, where to get it, and how to go about >> >> putting it >> >> >> >> >all together. That's what it's there for. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >To the rest of the folks on this list, you're welcome to look >> there as >> >> >> >> >well--though I hadn't planned on going live quite so quickly! >> <grin> >> >> >> >> >Please do not broadcast it or distribute it yet, though. Give me a >> >> chance >> >> >> >> >to finish it and get all the links working. But, please do tell me >> >> what >> >> >> >> >you think. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Happy New Year, everyone. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Ok, I think I found the files, but I want to be sure I download >> the >> >> >> correct >> >> >> >> >> ones. In the red hat 7.2 directory, I found a folder named images, >> >> which >> >> >> >> >> contained the files disk1.iso, disk2.iso, docs.iso, srpms1.iso, >> and >> >> >> >> >> srpms2.iso. Are all of these required, or are some of these >> extras? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 02:30 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >Which file is the modified rh 7.2? >> >> >> >> >> >tia >> >> >> >> >> >At 02:10 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>Thanks for the info. I'll consider rh. >> >> >> >> >> >>At 03:03 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>Hi all versions of Slackware 8.0 has speakup in them. Red >> Hat 7.2 >> >> >> >> which is >> >> >> >> >> >>>really good for newbies has a modified set of cd iso images at: >> >> >> >> >> >>>ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/redhat/7.2/ >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Jason Symes <jsymes at netins.net> >> >> >> >> >> >>>To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> >> >> >> >> >> >>>Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:54 PM >> >> >> >> >> >>>Subject: Re: New to LINUX >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> But that's a version of Slackware 8 without Speakup installed >> >> >> aready, >> >> >> >> >> >>>isn't >> >> >> >> >> >>>> it? I'm asking about the version that Thomas mentioned >> that had >> >> >> >> Speakup >> >> >> >> >> >>>> already installed. >> >> >> >> >> >>>> At 10:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/iso/install.iso >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >Greg >> >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 09:29:41PM -0600, Jason Symes wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Hi Thomas. >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak, >> >> you made >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> statement: >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak, >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> > and then moved on to big and full distributions. >> >> >> However, if >> >> >> >> >> you >> >> >> >> >> >>>> want >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >to play with a full distribution you might want to try >> >> >> >> Slackware 8 >> >> >> >> >> >>>> which >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >comes with Speakup built in, or Red hat 7.2 which >> >> there is a >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >distribution of it modified on the Speakup site. >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has >> speakup >> >> >> >> already >> >> >> >> >> >>>built >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> in? >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> tia >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Jason Symes >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Speakup mailing list >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >_______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >Speakup mailing list >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >>>> Jason Symes >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >>>> Speakup mailing list >> >> >> >> >> >>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> >> >> >> >> >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >>>Speakup mailing list >> >> >> >> >> >>>Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> >> >> >> >> >>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>Jason Symes >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >>Speakup mailing list >> >> >> >> >> >>Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> >> >> >> >> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Jason Symes >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >Speakup mailing list >> >> >> >> >> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> >> >> >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Jason Symes >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> Speakup mailing list >> >> >> >> >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> >> >> >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >-- >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Janina Sajka, Director >> >> >> >> > Technology Research and Development >> >> >> >> > Governmental Relations Group >> >> >> >> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG >> >> >> >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) >> >> >> >> >http://www.openebook.org >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, >> >> >> >> >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther >> >> >> >> >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at >> >> >> >> >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Learn how to make accessible software at >> >> >> >> >http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >Speakup mailing list >> >> >> >> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> >> >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Jason Symes >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> Speakup mailing list >> >> >> >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> >> >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >-- >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Janina Sajka, Director >> >> >> > Technology Research and Development >> >> >> > Governmental Relations Group >> >> >> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG >> >> >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) >> >> >> >http://www.openebook.org >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >> >> >Speakup mailing list >> >> >> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> > >> >> >> Jason Symes >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Speakup mailing list >> >> >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >-- >> >> > >> >> > Janina Sajka, Director >> >> > Technology Research and Development >> >> > Governmental Relations Group >> >> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) >> >> > >> >> >Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 >> >> > >> >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG >> >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) >> >> >http://www.openebook.org >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >> >Speakup mailing list >> >> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> > >> >> Jason Symes >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Speakup mailing list >> >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> > >> >-- >> > >> > Janina Sajka, Director >> > Technology Research and Development >> > Governmental Relations Group >> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) >> > >> >Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 >> > >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) >> >http://www.openebook.org >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Speakup mailing list >> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > >> Jason Symes >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > Jason Symes
