Just for your information, there is a braille translator available that works under Linux. It is called NFBtrans. You can get it at NFB's web site at www.nfb.org. On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote: > Its that instability, lack of consistency, freezing problems, and > restrictiveness that I'm trying to limit myself on by using linux. I can't > give up windows for everything, since plenty of businesses are still > running quite a bit of windows, but linux is popping up in many others > around my area. Also, my braille translator's a dos/windows app. > At 10:36 AM 1/3/02 -0500, you wrote: > > > >Interesting. I will be interested to hear how it goes for you on linux, > >then. At least until GNOME access becomes available to us, our linux > >access is command based, mostly, and somewhat menu based (ncurses). > > > >My first computer was the Apple 2. I was a bit of an expert in it. I hated > >DOS but got good at it. Next, I went to OS/2 and eventually to Windows 95. > >I did not find gui easy at all, though arrowing around was never the > >reason. What I found hard was that there did not seem to be enough > >consistancy as to what "tab" contained what fields and checkboxes. And > >then there were so many dialogs that didn't talk, or didn't talk well in > >the early days. On top of that, they would freeze hard several times a > >day, and sometimes several times an hour. I tell you, I don't miss > >rebooting like Windows people of yore had to reboot--especially those of > >us twiddling with configurations. I eventually got comfortable with the > >gui, but I still hate the instability and the restrictivness. > > > > On > >Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote: > > > >> Windows was the first os I sat down and truly learned, and I've found it > >> vary easy. However, it's that power that windows lacks that I'm trying to > >> find in linux. > >> Well, I'm not much of a traveler, or I probably would have gone to some > >> place like Iowa or Minnesota. > >> At 06:26 PM 1/2/02 -0500, you wrote: > >> >Hi, Jason: > >> > > >> >Well, I don't think I agree that there's simplicity in Windows. Rather, I > >> >think it's familiarity, which can make things seem simple and obvious, > >> >when they're really not. Be that as it may, the result is the same. > >> > > >> >As for your college not teaching unix, too bad. Maybe it's time to change > >> >schools? <grin> I hear the U. of Singapore and many places like it will > >> >only have FREE software, but I don't really know that for a fact! <bigger > >> >grin> > >> > > >> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote: > >> > > >> >> You caught my drift. Ms's biggest plus is its simplicity, but its > apps have > >> >> been stripped of all power to make it that way. > >> >> The lingo is my toughest problem with linux. The rest seems to be > nothing > >> >> in comparison. Its a shame that my college no longer teaches any unix or > >> >> linux networking concepts, but everything's gone over to win 2k. > >> >> At 05:03 PM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote: > >> >> >Jason: > >> >> > > >> >> >These are excellent points. I will incorporate them in the HOWTO. I > have > >> >> >known for some time that lingo presents a barrier much greater than > the > >> >> >actual doing of linux. But, I don't explain this in the HOWTO, and > it's > >> >> >worth a sentence or two, and worth a pointer to the Linux for > DOS/Windows > >> >> >Users. I'll add those. > >> >> > > >> >> >Also, I hear your point about the boot disk confusion--or at least I > >> think > >> >> >I do. I think its confusion borne of so many options to choose > amongst, > >> >> >where Windows really doesn't provide options anything like the way > linux > >> >> >does. This is probably worth a few sentences as well. I think the > message > >> >> >has to do with power and simplicity being opposites. Power means > options > >> >> >and choices which are bound to be confusing at first. Simplicity, on > the > >> >> >other hand, means few, if any choices. Did I get your drift? > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> I took a peak at the howto file, and, considering how I don't > understand > >> >> >> the lingo of linux as well as in windows, it seemed fairly straight > >> >> >> forward. The only problem I had was with the boot disks stuff, but > that > >> >> >> again is because I'm so used to the windows way of things. > >> >> >> At 11:04 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Hi, Jason: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >What can I say to make my point in just a few words? The links you > >> found > >> >> >> >are only pointers to the actual iso files--what we call symbolic > >> links. > >> >> >> >They are the result of my attempts to devise a means of streamlining > >> the > >> >> >> >distribution both of these iso images and of some of the critical > >> files > >> >> >> >within them, without requiring too many people make changes every > time > >> >> >> >there's a new release. I tell you this because what you don't see > >> looking > >> >> >> >at these symbolic links is how big the files actually are that > you will > >> >> be > >> >> >> >downloading. Essentially, each one is a packed CD ROM. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >I don't say this to discourage you, only to inform you. In fact, if > >> >> you're > >> >> >> >willing to work with a draft, you'll find a file called > >> >> HOWTO-INSTALL.html > >> >> >> >in the redhat directory that answers your question about whether all > >> of > >> >> >> >these files are necessary, and may answer many more questions > that you > >> >> >> >have yet to ask. If you're willing to work with a prerelease draft, > >> take > >> >> >> >a look at this file. Realize, please, that it isn't finished, and > >> not all > >> >> >> >of the links work yet. But please do let me know if this HOWTO helps > >> you > >> >> >> >understand what you need, where to get it, and how to go about > >> putting it > >> >> >> >all together. That's what it's there for. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >To the rest of the folks on this list, you're welcome to look > there as > >> >> >> >well--though I hadn't planned on going live quite so quickly! > <grin> > >> >> >> >Please do not broadcast it or distribute it yet, though. Give me a > >> chance > >> >> >> >to finish it and get all the links working. But, please do tell me > >> what > >> >> >> >you think. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Happy New Year, everyone. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Ok, I think I found the files, but I want to be sure I download > the > >> >> correct > >> >> >> >> ones. In the red hat 7.2 directory, I found a folder named images, > >> which > >> >> >> >> contained the files disk1.iso, disk2.iso, docs.iso, srpms1.iso, > and > >> >> >> >> srpms2.iso. Are all of these required, or are some of these > extras? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> At 02:30 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote: > >> >> >> >> >Which file is the modified rh 7.2? > >> >> >> >> >tia > >> >> >> >> >At 02:10 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>Thanks for the info. I'll consider rh. > >> >> >> >> >>At 03:03 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>>Hi all versions of Slackware 8.0 has speakup in them. Red > Hat 7.2 > >> >> >> which is > >> >> >> >> >>>really good for newbies has a modified set of cd iso images at: > >> >> >> >> >>>ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/redhat/7.2/ > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>>----- Original Message ----- > >> >> >> >> >>>From: Jason Symes <jsymes at netins.net> > >> >> >> >> >>>To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > >> >> >> >> >>>Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:54 PM > >> >> >> >> >>>Subject: Re: New to LINUX > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>>> But that's a version of Slackware 8 without Speakup installed > >> >> aready, > >> >> >> >> >>>isn't > >> >> >> >> >>>> it? I'm asking about the version that Thomas mentioned > that had > >> >> >> Speakup > >> >> >> >> >>>> already installed. > >> >> >> >> >>>> At 10:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/iso/install.iso > >> >> >> >> >>>> >Greg > >> >> >> >> >>>> > > >> >> >> >> >>>> >On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 09:29:41PM -0600, Jason Symes wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Hi Thomas. > >> >> >> >> >>>> >> While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak, > >> you made > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> >>>> >> statement: > >> >> >> >> >>>> >> That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak, > >> >> >> >> >>>> >> > and then moved on to big and full distributions. > >> >> However, if > >> >> >> >> you > >> >> >> >> >>>> want > >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >to play with a full distribution you might want to try > >> >> >> Slackware 8 > >> >> >> >> >>>> which > >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >comes with Speakup built in, or Red hat 7.2 which > >> there is a > >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >distribution of it modified on the Speakup site. > >> >> >> >> >>>> >> > >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has > speakup > >> >> >> already > >> >> >> >> >>>built > >> >> >> >> >>>> >> in? > >> >> >> >> >>>> >> tia > >> >> >> >> >>>> >> > >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Jason Symes > >> >> >> >> >>>> >> > >> >> >> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Speakup mailing list > >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > >> >> >> >> >>>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> >> >> >> >>>> > > >> >> >> >> >>>> >_______________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> >>>> >Speakup mailing list > >> >> >> >> >>>> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > >> >> >> >> >>>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> >> >> >> >>>> > > >> >> >> >> >>>> Jason Symes > >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> >>>> Speakup mailing list > >> >> >> >> >>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > >> >> >> >> >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>>_______________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> >>>Speakup mailing list > >> >> >> >> >>>Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > >> >> >> >> >>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>Jason Symes > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> >>Speakup mailing list > >> >> >> >> >>Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > >> >> >> >> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Jason Symes > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> >Speakup mailing list > >> >> >> >> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > >> >> >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Jason Symes > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> >> Speakup mailing list > >> >> >> >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > >> >> >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >-- > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Janina Sajka, Director > >> >> >> > Technology Research and Development > >> >> >> > Governmental Relations Group > >> >> >> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG > >> >> >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > >> >> >> >http://www.openebook.org > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > >> >> >> >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > >> >> >> >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > >> >> >> >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Learn how to make accessible software at > >> >> >> >http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >> >> >Speakup mailing list > >> >> >> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > >> >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> Jason Symes > >> >> >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> Speakup mailing list > >> >> >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > >> >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> >-- > >> >> > > >> >> > Janina Sajka, Director > >> >> > Technology Research and Development > >> >> > Governmental Relations Group > >> >> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > >> >> > > >> >> >Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > >> >> > > >> >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG > >> >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > >> >> >http://www.openebook.org > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >> >Speakup mailing list > >> >> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> >> > > >> >> Jason Symes > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Speakup mailing list > >> >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> >> > >> > > >> >-- > >> > > >> > Janina Sajka, Director > >> > Technology Research and Development > >> > Governmental Relations Group > >> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > >> > > >> >Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > >> > > >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG > >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > >> >http://www.openebook.org > >> > > >> > > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >Speakup mailing list > >> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > > >> Jason Symes > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Speakup mailing list > >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > > > >-- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > >Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > >Chair, Accessibility SIG > >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > >http://www.openebook.org > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Speakup mailing list > >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > Jason Symes > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >
