I forgot to mention something else that puts linux in a good position to steal ms's customers. Windows is easier, but someone running a high-powered server or mainframe doesn't want simple over powerful. Windows is also becoming more bug-prone and full of security holes, which makes network administrators work harder and longer just to fix. At 08:14 PM 1/2/02 -0600, you wrote: >Windows was the first os I sat down and truly learned, and I've found it >vary easy. However, it's that power that windows lacks that I'm trying to >find in linux. >Well, I'm not much of a traveler, or I probably would have gone to some >place like Iowa or Minnesota. >At 06:26 PM 1/2/02 -0500, you wrote: >>Hi, Jason: >> >>Well, I don't think I agree that there's simplicity in Windows. Rather, I >>think it's familiarity, which can make things seem simple and obvious, >>when they're really not. Be that as it may, the result is the same. >> >>As for your college not teaching unix, too bad. Maybe it's time to change >>schools? <grin> I hear the U. of Singapore and many places like it will >>only have FREE software, but I don't really know that for a fact! <bigger >>grin> >> >> On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote: >> >>> You caught my drift. Ms's biggest plus is its simplicity, but its apps have >>> been stripped of all power to make it that way. >>> The lingo is my toughest problem with linux. The rest seems to be nothing >>> in comparison. Its a shame that my college no longer teaches any unix or >>> linux networking concepts, but everything's gone over to win 2k. >>> At 05:03 PM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote: >>> >Jason: >>> > >>> >These are excellent points. I will incorporate them in the HOWTO. I have >>> >known for some time that lingo presents a barrier much greater than the >>> >actual doing of linux. But, I don't explain this in the HOWTO, and it's >>> >worth a sentence or two, and worth a pointer to the Linux for DOS/Windows >>> >Users. I'll add those. >>> > >>> >Also, I hear your point about the boot disk confusion--or at least I >think >>> >I do. I think its confusion borne of so many options to choose amongst, >>> >where Windows really doesn't provide options anything like the way linux >>> >does. This is probably worth a few sentences as well. I think the message >>> >has to do with power and simplicity being opposites. Power means options >>> >and choices which are bound to be confusing at first. Simplicity, on the >>> >other hand, means few, if any choices. Did I get your drift? >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote: >>> > >>> >> I took a peak at the howto file, and, considering how I don't understand >>> >> the lingo of linux as well as in windows, it seemed fairly straight >>> >> forward. The only problem I had was with the boot disks stuff, but that >>> >> again is because I'm so used to the windows way of things. >>> >> At 11:04 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> >Hi, Jason: >>> >> > >>> >> >What can I say to make my point in just a few words? The links you >found >>> >> >are only pointers to the actual iso files--what we call symbolic >links. >>> >> >They are the result of my attempts to devise a means of streamlining >the >>> >> >distribution both of these iso images and of some of the critical >files >>> >> >within them, without requiring too many people make changes every time >>> >> >there's a new release. I tell you this because what you don't see >looking >>> >> >at these symbolic links is how big the files actually are that you will >>> be >>> >> >downloading. Essentially, each one is a packed CD ROM. >>> >> > >>> >> >I don't say this to discourage you, only to inform you. In fact, if >>> you're >>> >> >willing to work with a draft, you'll find a file called >>> HOWTO-INSTALL.html >>> >> >in the redhat directory that answers your question about whether all >of >>> >> >these files are necessary, and may answer many more questions that you >>> >> >have yet to ask. If you're willing to work with a prerelease draft, >take >>> >> >a look at this file. Realize, please, that it isn't finished, and >not all >>> >> >of the links work yet. But please do let me know if this HOWTO helps >you >>> >> >understand what you need, where to get it, and how to go about >putting it >>> >> >all together. That's what it's there for. >>> >> > >>> >> >To the rest of the folks on this list, you're welcome to look there as >>> >> >well--though I hadn't planned on going live quite so quickly! <grin> >>> >> >Please do not broadcast it or distribute it yet, though. Give me a >chance >>> >> >to finish it and get all the links working. But, please do tell me >what >>> >> >you think. >>> >> > >>> >> >Happy New Year, everyone. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> >> Ok, I think I found the files, but I want to be sure I download the >>> correct >>> >> >> ones. In the red hat 7.2 directory, I found a folder named images, >which >>> >> >> contained the files disk1.iso, disk2.iso, docs.iso, srpms1.iso, and >>> >> >> srpms2.iso. Are all of these required, or are some of these extras? >>> >> >> >>> >> >> At 02:30 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote: >>> >> >> >Which file is the modified rh 7.2? >>> >> >> >tia >>> >> >> >At 02:10 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote: >>> >> >> >>Thanks for the info. I'll consider rh. >>> >> >> >>At 03:03 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote: >>> >> >> >>>Hi all versions of Slackware 8.0 has speakup in them. Red Hat 7.2 >>> >> which is >>> >> >> >>>really good for newbies has a modified set of cd iso images at: >>> >> >> >>>ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/redhat/7.2/ >>> >> >> >>> >>> >> >> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>> >> >> >>>From: Jason Symes <jsymes at netins.net> >>> >> >> >>>To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> >>> >> >> >>>Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:54 PM >>> >> >> >>>Subject: Re: New to LINUX >>> >> >> >>> >>> >> >> >>> >>> >> >> >>>> But that's a version of Slackware 8 without Speakup installed >>> aready, >>> >> >> >>>isn't >>> >> >> >>>> it? I'm asking about the version that Thomas mentioned that had >>> >> Speakup >>> >> >> >>>> already installed. >>> >> >> >>>> At 10:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote: >>> >> >> >>>> >>> >ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/iso/install.iso >>> >> >> >>>> >Greg >>> >> >> >>>> > >>> >> >> >>>> >On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 09:29:41PM -0600, Jason Symes wrote: >>> >> >> >>>> >> Hi Thomas. >>> >> >> >>>> >> While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak, >you made >>> >> the >>> >> >> >>>> >> statement: >>> >> >> >>>> >> That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak, >>> >> >> >>>> >> > and then moved on to big and full distributions. >>> However, if >>> >> >> you >>> >> >> >>>> want >>> >> >> >>>> >> >to play with a full distribution you might want to try >>> >> Slackware 8 >>> >> >> >>>> which >>> >> >> >>>> >> >comes with Speakup built in, or Red hat 7.2 which >there is a >>> >> >> >>>> >> >distribution of it modified on the Speakup site. >>> >> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has speakup >>> >> already >>> >> >> >>>built >>> >> >> >>>> >> in? >>> >> >> >>>> >> tia >>> >> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> Jason Symes >>> >> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> >>>> >> Speakup mailing list >>> >> >> >>>> >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>> >> >> >>>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >> >> >>>> > >>> >> >> >>>> >_______________________________________________ >>> >> >> >>>> >Speakup mailing list >>> >> >> >>>> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>> >> >> >>>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >> >> >>>> > >>> >> >> >>>> Jason Symes >>> >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> >>>> Speakup mailing list >>> >> >> >>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>> >> >> >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >> >> >>>> >>> >> >> >>> >>> >> >> >>> >>> >> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >>> >> >> >>>Speakup mailing list >>> >> >> >>>Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>> >> >> >>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >> >> >>> >>> >> >> >>Jason Symes >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>> >> >> >>Speakup mailing list >>> >> >> >>Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>> >> >> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >Jason Symes >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >>> >> >> >Speakup mailing list >>> >> >> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>> >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> Jason Symes >>> >> >> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> Speakup mailing list >>> >> >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>> >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >-- >>> >> > >>> >> > Janina Sajka, Director >>> >> > Technology Research and Development >>> >> > Governmental Relations Group >>> >> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) >>> >> > >>> >> >Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 >>> >> > >>> >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG >>> >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) >>> >> >http://www.openebook.org >>> >> > >>> >> >Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, >>> >> >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp >>> >> > >>> >> >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther >>> >> >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at >>> >> >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp >>> >> > >>> >> >Learn how to make accessible software at >>> >> >http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >_______________________________________________ >>> >> >Speakup mailing list >>> >> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >> > >>> >> Jason Symes >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Speakup mailing list >>> >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >> >>> > >>> >-- >>> > >>> > Janina Sajka, Director >>> > Technology Research and Development >>> > Governmental Relations Group >>> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) >>> > >>> >Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 >>> > >>> >Chair, Accessibility SIG >>> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) >>> >http://www.openebook.org >>> > >>> > >>> >_______________________________________________ >>> >Speakup mailing list >>> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> > >>> Jason Symes >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >> >>-- >> >> Janina Sajka, Director >> Technology Research and Development >> Governmental Relations Group >> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) >> >>Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 >> >>Chair, Accessibility SIG >>Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) >>http://www.openebook.org >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Speakup mailing list >>Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >Jason Symes > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > Jason Symes
