Windows was the first os I sat down and truly learned, and I've found it vary easy. However, it's that power that windows lacks that I'm trying to find in linux. Well, I'm not much of a traveler, or I probably would have gone to some place like Iowa or Minnesota. At 06:26 PM 1/2/02 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, Jason: > >Well, I don't think I agree that there's simplicity in Windows. Rather, I >think it's familiarity, which can make things seem simple and obvious, >when they're really not. Be that as it may, the result is the same. > >As for your college not teaching unix, too bad. Maybe it's time to change >schools? <grin> I hear the U. of Singapore and many places like it will >only have FREE software, but I don't really know that for a fact! <bigger >grin> > > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote: > >> You caught my drift. Ms's biggest plus is its simplicity, but its apps have >> been stripped of all power to make it that way. >> The lingo is my toughest problem with linux. The rest seems to be nothing >> in comparison. Its a shame that my college no longer teaches any unix or >> linux networking concepts, but everything's gone over to win 2k. >> At 05:03 PM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote: >> >Jason: >> > >> >These are excellent points. I will incorporate them in the HOWTO. I have >> >known for some time that lingo presents a barrier much greater than the >> >actual doing of linux. But, I don't explain this in the HOWTO, and it's >> >worth a sentence or two, and worth a pointer to the Linux for DOS/Windows >> >Users. I'll add those. >> > >> >Also, I hear your point about the boot disk confusion--or at least I think >> >I do. I think its confusion borne of so many options to choose amongst, >> >where Windows really doesn't provide options anything like the way linux >> >does. This is probably worth a few sentences as well. I think the message >> >has to do with power and simplicity being opposites. Power means options >> >and choices which are bound to be confusing at first. Simplicity, on the >> >other hand, means few, if any choices. Did I get your drift? >> > >> > >> > >> >On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote: >> > >> >> I took a peak at the howto file, and, considering how I don't understand >> >> the lingo of linux as well as in windows, it seemed fairly straight >> >> forward. The only problem I had was with the boot disks stuff, but that >> >> again is because I'm so used to the windows way of things. >> >> At 11:04 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote: >> >> > >> >> >Hi, Jason: >> >> > >> >> >What can I say to make my point in just a few words? The links you found >> >> >are only pointers to the actual iso files--what we call symbolic links. >> >> >They are the result of my attempts to devise a means of streamlining the >> >> >distribution both of these iso images and of some of the critical files >> >> >within them, without requiring too many people make changes every time >> >> >there's a new release. I tell you this because what you don't see looking >> >> >at these symbolic links is how big the files actually are that you will >> be >> >> >downloading. Essentially, each one is a packed CD ROM. >> >> > >> >> >I don't say this to discourage you, only to inform you. In fact, if >> you're >> >> >willing to work with a draft, you'll find a file called >> HOWTO-INSTALL.html >> >> >in the redhat directory that answers your question about whether all of >> >> >these files are necessary, and may answer many more questions that you >> >> >have yet to ask. If you're willing to work with a prerelease draft, take >> >> >a look at this file. Realize, please, that it isn't finished, and not all >> >> >of the links work yet. But please do let me know if this HOWTO helps you >> >> >understand what you need, where to get it, and how to go about putting it >> >> >all together. That's what it's there for. >> >> > >> >> >To the rest of the folks on this list, you're welcome to look there as >> >> >well--though I hadn't planned on going live quite so quickly! <grin> >> >> >Please do not broadcast it or distribute it yet, though. Give me a chance >> >> >to finish it and get all the links working. But, please do tell me what >> >> >you think. >> >> > >> >> >Happy New Year, everyone. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Ok, I think I found the files, but I want to be sure I download the >> correct >> >> >> ones. In the red hat 7.2 directory, I found a folder named images, which >> >> >> contained the files disk1.iso, disk2.iso, docs.iso, srpms1.iso, and >> >> >> srpms2.iso. Are all of these required, or are some of these extras? >> >> >> >> >> >> At 02:30 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote: >> >> >> >Which file is the modified rh 7.2? >> >> >> >tia >> >> >> >At 02:10 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote: >> >> >> >>Thanks for the info. I'll consider rh. >> >> >> >>At 03:03 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi all versions of Slackware 8.0 has speakup in them. Red Hat 7.2 >> >> which is >> >> >> >>>really good for newbies has a modified set of cd iso images at: >> >> >> >>>ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/redhat/7.2/ >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>>----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> >>>From: Jason Symes <jsymes at netins.net> >> >> >> >>>To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> >> >> >> >>>Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:54 PM >> >> >> >>>Subject: Re: New to LINUX >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>>> But that's a version of Slackware 8 without Speakup installed >> aready, >> >> >> >>>isn't >> >> >> >>>> it? I'm asking about the version that Thomas mentioned that had >> >> Speakup >> >> >> >>>> already installed. >> >> >> >>>> At 10:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote: >> >> >> >>>> >> >ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/iso/install.iso >> >> >> >>>> >Greg >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> >On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 09:29:41PM -0600, Jason Symes wrote: >> >> >> >>>> >> Hi Thomas. >> >> >> >>>> >> While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak, you made >> >> the >> >> >> >>>> >> statement: >> >> >> >>>> >> That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak, >> >> >> >>>> >> > and then moved on to big and full distributions. >> However, if >> >> >> you >> >> >> >>>> want >> >> >> >>>> >> >to play with a full distribution you might want to try >> >> Slackware 8 >> >> >> >>>> which >> >> >> >>>> >> >comes with Speakup built in, or Red hat 7.2 which there is a >> >> >> >>>> >> >distribution of it modified on the Speakup site. >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has speakup >> >> already >> >> >> >>>built >> >> >> >>>> >> in? >> >> >> >>>> >> tia >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Jason Symes >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >>>> >> Speakup mailing list >> >> >> >>>> >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> >> >> >>>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> >_______________________________________________ >> >> >> >>>> >Speakup mailing list >> >> >> >>>> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> >> >> >>>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> Jason Symes >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >>>> Speakup mailing list >> >> >> >>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> >> >> >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >> >> >> >>>Speakup mailing list >> >> >> >>>Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> >> >> >>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>Jason Symes >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >> >> >>Speakup mailing list >> >> >> >>Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> >> >> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Jason Symes >> >> >> > >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >> >> >Speakup mailing list >> >> >> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> > >> >> >> Jason Symes >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Speakup mailing list >> >> >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >-- >> >> > >> >> > Janina Sajka, Director >> >> > Technology Research and Development >> >> > Governmental Relations Group >> >> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) >> >> > >> >> >Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 >> >> > >> >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG >> >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) >> >> >http://www.openebook.org >> >> > >> >> >Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, >> >> >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp >> >> > >> >> >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther >> >> >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at >> >> >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp >> >> > >> >> >Learn how to make accessible software at >> >> >http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >> >Speakup mailing list >> >> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> > >> >> Jason Symes >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Speakup mailing list >> >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> > >> >-- >> > >> > Janina Sajka, Director >> > Technology Research and Development >> > Governmental Relations Group >> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) >> > >> >Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 >> > >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) >> >http://www.openebook.org >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Speakup mailing list >> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > >> Jason Symes >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > >-- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > >Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > >Chair, Accessibility SIG >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) >http://www.openebook.org > > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > Jason Symes
