I think the first order of business is to put things back into perspective. If you want to work with the console for the development, then procure one machine for your development activities. This is a good idea anyway. All of the software mentioned can be installed on your development machine with no monetary investment beyond the hardware it is running on. Then you can code with emacspeak. You can code in pico with speakup. Or you can ask Kirk and some others what they use for development. The thing is that developing code for a Linux box can easily be done with whatever you prefer to use. You could write code for your linux machine in notepad on a windows machine. If a person comes with a strong unix background then moving to development on a linux machine should be an easy enough thing to do. Most of those same tools used before can be used here. ======= Kirk Wood Cpt.Kirk at 1tree.net Nothing is hard if you know the answer or are used to doing it.