I had to change the subject to better fit the topic at hand. Anyway, I agree with everyone in that coding with speech is easy and for the most part you don't need to turn on all punctuation. This is especially true if you are comfortable in your coding and know what punction to use for the different programs. Where I do find punction spoken very helpful is in the cases where I might have to modify someone else's existing code. Because we all think differently we might put semi-colons or commas a little differently in programs. Also there are times where I have to do dns work and this requires named.conf modifications. Sometimes I don't know what the skills of the person who started the particular named.conf file are and so different sections of the file might be placd differently so having that punction spoken helps. Once I've changed the file to my personal preference and style and I'm not debugging it for typo errors I turn off the extra punction speaking. Just my 2 pannies worth. Raul A. Gallegos Email: raul at asmodean.net icq#: 5283055 msn: ragallegos at hotmail.com aim: raulagallegos