I have to insert here that I don't understand what the trouble is with using speech. I have been developing and modifying code for many many years and have no problem using synthetic speech. I don't even tend to use all punctuation when looking through code. Code is code and the structure and rules of each language dictate what one should expect while looking through the program. I have had the pleasure of using braille displays and braille printers and I only use speech these days. I believe those who think it will be difficult either make it difficult by their own concepts or have never done much coding. I and many other coders use speech totally for our coding and have no difficulties what-so-ever. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061