Well, MySQL also has WIndows-based administration toolkit and an command-line client. Best, Victor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holmes, Steve" <SAHolmes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:02 PM Subject: RE: Help the Floundering Newbie! > I think you may have answered some of your own questions already. For > remote access, I use Telnet over a network. I've done this from other linux > machines running speakup and from windows telnet clients. Both methods > worked well for me. > > My total programming experienced involved using an optacon and later moving > to speech when it became available. Speech wins out over the optacon hands > down. Optacon was nice for looking at layout and format. I could never > afford braille devices so can't comment on their effectiveness. I have all > punctions turned on in my speech environment so I don't miss the commas and > semicolons and stuff. When I use Window-Eyes in environments like Visual > Basic, I can use a "mixed case" mode which will properly pronounce complex > variable names such as SingleMouseClick as "single mouse click" - separate > words. Little enhancements like this make programming in a speech > environment pretty tolerable (to me at least). > > One linux compatible database server (postgresql from www.postgres.org) can > be coupled into perl scripts and web based applications. In fact, this > server can be remote accessed via TCP/IP also. The default client that > comes with it is a commandline based thing that works well in a text based > environment. In fact, they have a windows client that can be used to > administer it as well. I haven't had a chance to check this client out to > see how accessible it is though. > > These ideas don't have much to do with speakup specifically but I hope they > are of some help. > > -----Original Message----- > From: rjc [mailto:rjc at MIT.EDU] > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 7:00 AM > To: speakup at braille.uwo.ca > Subject: Help the Floundering Newbie! > > > OK, I'm still very confused about all of this. Perhaps if I describe my > ultimate goals and what I see as my choices for accessing the linux > environment, all you smart folks out there might have a better shot at > helping me out -- so here goes! > > I want to be able to configure and administer a typical database > driven website. Most likely, we'll use Apache, MySQL, and some combination > of Perl and PHP. I've done my share of static html coding and have some > knowledge of Perl and PHP. > I have a background in unix, having done some systems admin and basic > system's level C programming in the 80s on BSD. However, at that time I had > access to a refreshable braille display and had a direct serial connection > to the unix box. The display was a big win, since I could easily deal with > unix speak. Try reading a bash script with synthetic speech, however, and > you'll quickly see one of the reasons I'm so frustrated today... How do you > guys program with speech? Well, ok, writing code is one thing, but reading > other people's code is hard even if your sighted and have been doing it all > your life. How does a blind guy do it effectively with speech? > > To accomplish my goal, I need to find a comfortable way of working in linux. > The choices that I have are: remote login from PC with Jaws, local login and > run emacspeak with dectalk on the serial port, local login to a kernel with > SpeakUp compiled into it and dectalk on the serial port. > Remote login might be the only way to go in general, since if I'm going to > be charged with administering this server , the only connection I'll have is > via the network, since the server will not > be in the same building as our office. However, sighted people would use > Exceed or something to run an X server on windows or mac and ssh to linux. > However, all I've got access to is a vt100 emulator and the shell. Working > this way is cumbersome. I don't even have a file browser. Hmm, but how about > Samba (I think that's what its called) which allows mounting of file systems > between windows and linux? This may be my only realistic approach. > Emacspeak and SpeakUp won't help me if I don't have access to the physical > hardware. Any other suggestions? What is emacs server? > > Thanx in advance for any words of wisdom! > > Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >
