I can enlighten you on the security aspect. In the macroslop world, that isn't an issue. This is because they are the only ones to be able to see the code and thus are not subject to the security concerns that systems such as linux face. This is why it is only imaginary that way more security problems are found in windows and its apps. (for those not aware, I don't think macroslop does much right.) ======= Kirk Wood Cpt.Kirk at 1tree.net The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open. If your too open minded, your brains will fall out.