While we're on the chat of vmware. Does anyone have an idea how to overcome permissions issues while using shared devices, like printer ports and such? I have given up and used root. But I'd prefer using my own login. Also, if anyone is looking for an alternative to vmware as a Windows app solution. Wine in some applications may work well. Win 32 apps are still buggy, but I have had a fair success with Win 16 apps. Especially, if they are written for the command.com shell. Untill Wine comes of age, VmWare is the stronger of the two being such that once it is launched the user can CTRL-ALT-(FKEY) to the running virtual machine and get a pure environment. Josh -----Original Message----- From: speakup-admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:speakup-admin at braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Dawes, Stephen Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 6:54 AM To: Speakup at Braille. Uwo. Ca (E-mail) Subject: VmWare: I have changed the subject line, because this thread appears to be misleading, and the topic being discussed lately is VmWare. VmWare, Will run under Linux, Windows NT4, and Windows 2000. Giving the user a great deal of flexibility of how they want to install and use it. Regardless of the operating system that it is installed on, you can run multiple versions / configurations of all of the operating systems that it supports. Which, by the way, goes beyond the 3 I listed above, as the above 3 being the operating systems that VmWare runs under. In answer to the question of VmWare needing X-Windows, the answer is sort of. In my research of the product, I was told by the people at VmWare directly, that X-Windows is needed to install and initial configure VmWare. But that, once it is installed, you could launch it from a bash script, that would launch X and then VmWare. I was also told, that you could make this part of a login script, so that when you logged in to a particular user, you would have the VmWare environment immediately running. If you go to www.vmware.com and read the documentation there, you will learn more. Once VmWare is installed, you can then install any of the operating systems that VmWare supports, and be off to the races. Stephen Dawes B.A. B.Sc. Web Business Office, The City of Calgary PHONE: (403) 268-5527. FAX: (403) 268-6423 E-MAIL ADDRESS: Stephen.Dawes at gov.calgary.ab.ca Internet: http://www.gov.calgary.ab.ca -----Original Message----- From: Peter M. Konka [mailto:pmk5485@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 2001 August 28 8:08 AM To: speakup at braille.uwo.ca Subject: Re: Hewlet Packard and Linux Hi, I honestly don't know if you need X windows to runb the VM Ware application... That would be a good question to ask Janina. --- Peter At 10:28 PM 8/27/01 -0500, you wrote: >Don't you need to use x for vmware? >Greg > > >On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 05:57:32PM -0400, Peter M. Konka wrote: > > Shaun, > > > > Before I installed Linux on my laptop, i had the same question in > > my head. Will there be any possible chance that I can install Windows > > applications under my Linux machine. The answer is yes. You can install > > windows applications under linux. I'm not sure exactly how to do it, > but i > > do know that you need a Windows emulator called VM Ware. > > > > Now, the person you should speak to about this is Janina, she > > explained this to me before. > > > > From my understanding about this Windows eumlator, it basically > > turns Linux into windows, and allows you to install any windows > > applications or drivers. > > > > At the moment, i installed Linux on my brand new Toshiba > > laptop. I am running Linux on a dual boot on this laptop, because > > I wasn't sure if my drivers or hardare rather would be compatible at > > all... I heard a lot of good things about linux, and if i learn how to > use > > it, i am thinking of switching from Windows to linux on this machine. And > > I have other 2 machines at home and work, which the one at work I am > > thinking of backing up my information and formatting the drive clean and > > isntalling Linux as the only operating syste. And I will also do that on > > one of the systems at home. > > > > I will keep a Windows machine just in case. But i have a feeling that > > linux will become my new favorite operating system other then dos. > > > > --- Peter > > > > At 11:28 PM 8/25/01 +1000, you wrote: > > >I've been following this thread for a while. and haven't decided to say > > >something until now. > > >I'm of the oppinion that linux as an operating system accessable to the > > >blind, is streets ahead of it's comercial counterparts. > > >I say this because as a user of both operating systems, I can see the > place > > >for both of them. I find that windows in a normal office environment is a > > >very powerful tool indeed. However, if I could have the power of linux and > > >the ease of use of windows all rolled into one, I'd be a very happy > camper. > > >I mean I'd like the nice frilly bits of microsoft word and excell and all > > >that but right at the moment, I haven't seen gpl console versions of > either. > > >Linux is a great workhorse especially if you want to run it as a > server box > > >or as a firewall, but I want the durrability of linux with the ease of use > > >of windows but I guess for now I'll just have to learn how to use linux to > > >it's full potential. > > >Don't get me wrong here, I'm not complaining, just stating how I feel > on the > > >whole issue. > > >Shaun.. > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > >Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! > > >http://www.eboom.com/free/ > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh at mhonline.net> > > >To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > > >Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:59 PM > > >Subject: Re: Hewlet Packard and Linux > > > > > > > > > > Charlie and all - > > > > > > > > Your remarks about DOS are interesting - I was a DOS fan too and > actually > > > > never moved to Windows, except to support my Arkenstone Open Book > Unbound > > > > software. My machine is presently a dual boot machine so I can se > Linux to > > > > get work done or else at boot time select DOS (I use the Caldera > > > > OpenDOS) to use my scanner software and one or two other legacy apps. > > > > > > > > If you remember when DOS was introduced in the early 80s, version > 1.X was > > > > a lot like CP/M; as it was revised to 2.X and then 3.X, it gradually > > > > became a lot more like Unix than CP/M, with a hierarchical file system, > > > > batch files, and then later versions even had online help. > > > > > > > > Now that should tell you something: namely, that Unix was a mature > > > > standard for text consoles even in the early 80s when DOS was being > forged > > > > in Redmond. Linux of course is an Open Source and contemporary > > > > implementation of Unix, and is therefore a decade ahead of the game > > > > compared to DOS. > > > > > > > > Linux is also a fundamentally dual personality system, with its GUI > being > > > > a robust add-on to the underlying text based console system. > > > > > > > > Linux was created as Open Source on the internet and is maintained and > > > > developed there. It is a fundamental mistake to think of it in the same > > > > market terms as the other major OS. Of course there is no market > for Linux > > > > accessibility solutions. But there are users and there is need, and > that > > > > need is being met by and large without benefit of market concepts. > > > > > > > > How do people make a living in the Open Source world? By selling > services, > > > > not products. Products in the Open Source world are organic things. > They > > > > take root, they grow, they live or die on their merits, and they > both give > > > > to and take from their users. There would be no Speakup if it were > > > > conceived on a marketing model of accessibility solutions, trust me on > > > > that one. > > > > > > > > So - don't worry about Linux, it is in there for the long haul. > > > > > > > > I was recently tempted to spring for a preinstalled Linux system when I > > > > last upgraded, but opted for the "rolling my own" solution. I am > convinced > > > > that if I had plunked down for a package deal I would have ended up > > > > overhauling it anyway. > > > > > > > > Will Linux ever be a mass market product suitable for the people > who check > > > > their email once a week and want their machine to do what they > want, and > > > > not what they say? Probably not. There may always be a niche for a > > > > Windows-type OS with its closely guarded secrets and predatory > practices, > > > > with all the insides protected from meddling users and all the decision > > > > details already made for them. > > > > > > > > Best regards - and welcome to the list! > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh > > > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (46% of Full) > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Speakup mailing list > > >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup at braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup at braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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