Hello all, Would this mean that one could not use, for example, JFW and Internet Explorer at the same time with Win4Lin? Gary and Gage the Wonder Dog ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawes, Stephen" <Stephen.Dawes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 9:04 AM Subject: RE: Hewlet Packard and Linux > The big difference is: > Win4Lin allows you to run Windows applications under Linux, 1 at a time. > VmWare, creates a virtual machine, to which you install the operating > system of your choice, including additional versions of the base > operating system. So, you could have VmWare installed under Linux, and > then additionally, have Linux installed under VmWare. VmWare allows you > to have as many Virtual machines as you want, configured the way you > want, as long as you have the resources to handle the demand. > > > Stephen Dawes B.A. B.Sc. > Web Business Office, The City of Calgary > PHONE: (403) 268-5527. > FAX: (403) 268-6423 > E-MAIL ADDRESS: Stephen.Dawes at gov.calgary.ab.ca > Internet: http://www.gov.calgary.ab.ca > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gregory Nowak [mailto:romualt at megsinet.net] > > Sent: 2001 August 28 6:21 PM > > To: speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > Subject: Re: Hewlet Packard and Linux > > > > > > Then what's the difference between it > > and win for lin? > > Greg > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 08:01:52AM -0600, Dawes, Stephen wrote: > > > VmWare is not free by any stretch of the imagination. Check out > > > www.vmware.com > > > for all the particulars about VmWare. > > > > > > > > > Stephen Dawes B.A. B.Sc. > > > Web Business Office, The City of Calgary > > > PHONE: (403) 268-5527. > > > FAX: (403) 268-6423 > > > E-MAIL ADDRESS: Stephen.Dawes at gov.calgary.ab.ca > > > Internet: http://www.gov.calgary.ab.ca > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Gregory Nowak [mailto:romualt at megsinet.net] > > > > Sent: 2001 August 28 7:08 AM > > > > To: speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > Subject: Re: Hewlet Packard and Linux > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you're saying that if I grab > > > > a sightling to help me set up vm ware in X, I can then invoke > > > > it and run the other os from the console? > > > > Also, this is free, unlike win for lin, right? > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 11:50:02PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > > > Not exactly. VmWare runs over X, but that doesn't mean you > > > > have to do > > > > > anything in X once it's all set up. The setup itself is not > > > > > accessible--but then, neither is the Windows setup process > > > > accessible. > > > > > On > > > > > Mon, 27 Aug 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Don't you need to use x for VmWare? > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 05:57:32PM -0400, Peter M. > > Konka wrote: > > > > > > > Shaun, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before I installed Linux on my laptop, i had > > > > the same question in > > > > > > > my head. Will there be any possible chance that I can > > > > install Windows > > > > > > > applications under my Linux machine. The answer is > > > > yes. You can install > > > > > > > windows applications under Linux. I'm not sure exactly > > > > how to do it, but i > > > > > > > do know that you need a Windows emulator called VM Ware. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the person you should speak to about this > > > > is Janina, she > > > > > > > explained this to me before. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From my understanding about this Windows > > > > emulator, it basically > > > > > > > turns Linux into windows, and allows you to install > > any windows > > > > > > > applications or drivers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the moment, i installed Linux on my brand > > > > new Toshiba > > > > > > > laptop. I am running Linux on a dual boot on this > > > > laptop, because > > > > > > > I wasn't sure if my drivers or hardare rather would be > > > > compatible at > > > > > > > all... I heard a lot of good things about Linux, and > > > > if i learn how to use > > > > > > > it, i am thinking of switching from Windows to Linux on > > > > this machine. And > > > > > > > I have other 2 machines at home and work, which the one > > > > at work I am > > > > > > > thinking of backing up my information and formatting > > > > the drive clean and > > > > > > > installing Linux as the only operating system. And I > > > > will also do that on > > > > > > > one of the systems at home. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will keep a Windows machine just in case. But i have > > > > a feeling that > > > > > > > Linux will become my new favourite operating system > > > > other then dos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 11:28 PM 8/25/01 +1000, you wrote: > > > > > > > >I've been following this thread for a while. and > > > > haven't decided to say > > > > > > > >something until now. > > > > > > > >I'm of the opinion that Linux as an operating system > > > > accessible to the > > > > > > > >blind, is streets ahead of it's commercial counterparts. > > > > > > > >I say this because as a user of both operating > > > > systems, I can see the place > > > > > > > >for both of them. I find that windows in a normal > > > > office environment is a > > > > > > > >very powerful tool indeed. However, if I could have > > > > the power of Linux and > > > > > > > >the ease of use of windows all rolled into one, I'd be > > > > a very happy camper. > > > > > > > >I mean I'd like the nice frilly bits of Microsoft word > > > > and excell and all > > > > > > > >that but right at the moment, I haven't seen gpl > > > > console versions of either. > > > > > > > >Linux is a great workhorse especially if you want to > > > > run it as a server box > > > > > > > >or as a firewall, but I want the durability of Linux > > > > with the ease of use > > > > > > > >of windows but I guess for now I'll just have to learn > > > > how to use Linux to > > > > > > > >it's full potential. > > > > > > > >Don't get me wrong here, I'm not complaining, just > > > > stating how I feel on the > > > > > > > >whole issue. > > > > > > > >Shaun.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > > > > > >Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone > > > > in the World! > > > > > > > >http://www.eboom.com/free/ > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > >From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh at mhonline.net> > > > > > > > >To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > > > > > > > >Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:59 PM > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Hewlet Packard and Linux > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charlie and all - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your remarks about DOS are interesting - I was a > > > > DOS fan too and actually > > > > > > > > > never moved to Windows, except to support my > > > > Arkenstone Open Book Unbound > > > > > > > > > software. My machine is presently a dual boot > > > > machine so I can se Linux to > > > > > > > > > get work done or else at boot time select DOS (I > > > > use the Caldera > > > > > > > > > OpenDOS) to use my scanner software and one or two > > > > other legacy apps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you remember when DOS was introduced in the > > > > early 80s, version 1.X was > > > > > > > > > a lot like CP/M; as it was revised to 2.X and then > > > > 3.X, it gradually > > > > > > > > > became a lot more like Unix than CP/M, with a > > > > hierarchical file system, > > > > > > > > > batch files, and then later versions even had > > online help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that should tell you something: namely, that > > > > Unix was a mature > > > > > > > > > standard for text consoles even in the early 80s > > > > when DOS was being forged > > > > > > > > > in Redmond. Linux of course is an Open Source and > > > > contemporary > > > > > > > > > implementation of Unix, and is therefore a decade > > > > ahead of the game > > > > > > > > > compared to DOS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Linux is also a fundamentally dual personality > > > > system, with its GUI being > > > > > > > > > a robust add-on to the underlying text based > > console system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Linux was created as Open Source on the internet > > > > and is maintained and > > > > > > > > > developed there. It is a fundamental mistake to > > > > think of it in the same > > > > > > > > > market terms as the other major OS. Of course there > > > > is no market for Linux > > > > > > > > > accessibility solutions. But there are users and > > > > there is need, and that > > > > > > > > > need is being met by and large without benefit of > > > > market concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do people make a living in the Open Source > > > > world? By selling services, > > > > > > > > > not products. Products in the Open Source world are > > > > organic things. They > > > > > > > > > take root, they grow, they live or die on their > > > > merits, and they both give > > > > > > > > > to and take from their users. There would be no > > > > Speakup if it were > > > > > > > > > conceived on a marketing model of accessibility > > > > solutions, trust me on > > > > > > > > > that one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So - don't worry about Linux, it is in there for > > > > the long haul. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was recently tempted to spring for a preinstalled > > > > Linux system when I > > > > > > > > > last upgraded, but opted for the "rolling my own" > > > > solution. I am convinced > > > > > > > > > that if I had plunked down for a package deal I > > > > would have ended up > > > > > > > > > overhauling it anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will Linux ever be a mass market product suitable > > > > for the people who check > > > > > > > > > their email once a week and want their machine to > > > > do what they want, and > > > > > > > > > not what they say? Probably not. There may always > > > > be a niche for a > > > > > > > > > Windows-type OS with its closely guarded secrets > > > > and predatory practices, > > > > > > > > > with all the insides protected from meddling users > > > > and all the decision > > > > > > > > > details already made for them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards - and welcome to the list! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh > > > > > > > > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (46% of Full) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > > > > >Speakup mailing list > > > > > > > >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > > > > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > > > Technology Research and > > Development > > > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > > > American Foundation for > > the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > > > > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > > > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > > > > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > > > > > > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of > > Martin Luther > > > > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > > > > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > > > > > > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at > > > > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >
