I tried Elvis once myself because I generally liked vi, and wanted to get rid of the latency (and other problems associated with access over a dialup). My recollection is that the dialup access was still more reliable. But, this was a long time ago--maybe ten years, actually. On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Kenny Hitt wrote: > Hi, I used vi because I tried to use a DOS program called "vi". The > problem was, ASAP couldn't track the cursor. From using Linux the last > few months, I think you're right about it beeing a DOS version of elvis. > At the time, all I had was a .exe file and my boss didn't know anything > more than vi commands. He used it for all his editing, and it took up > less space on a DOS floppy, so he wanted to use it as the editor. > > Kenny > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 12:48:44PM -0400, Janina Sajka > wrote: > > Wait a minute, it's not fair to compare asap using vi with the access we > > now have with speakup. > > > > Unless you were using elvis, a vi port for DOS, the only way you could use > > any unix text editor with asap was to log onto a unix server via telnet or > > dialup connection. That meant terminal emmulation. In other words, there > > were several layers separating you and asap from the text editor. This is > > not the case today, when speakup is running directly on your own linux > > machine. > > > > Speakup and asap are alike in their screen review functions, but the > > analogies should really stop right there. > > > > > > On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Kenny Hitt wrote: > > > > > Hi, I agree. The fact I used ASAP for years made it quicker for me. > > > Believe it or not, I am using vi for editing. I tried it in DOS or as a > > > console ap in Windows, but never could use it because screen readers > > > couldn't track the cursor. > > > > > > Kenny > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 07:50:14PM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote: > > > > I'd go on e step forther and suggest that it might to some extent be the > > > > operator of the machine as well. > > > > I mean by this that it is possible that they may not be properly aquainted > > > > with speakup and it's functions. > > > > it only took me a week to grasp the basics but for others it might take > > > > just that little bit longer. > > > > Do you think that this could have a baring on the oppinions of others > > > > relating to text editing? > > > > > > > > > > > > shaun.. > > > > > > > > FEAR: Fear attracts the fearful, the strong, the weak, the innocent, the > > > > corrupt > > > > . FEAR: Fear is my alli. > > > > > > > > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote: > > > > > > > > > I agree 1000%, Scott - you expressed my own thoughts exactly. > > > > > > > > > > This business about text editing is interesting - it is not speakup that > > > > > creates any limitations - it is the various apps themselves, and speakup > > > > > at least lets you get right up close and personal with all the apps, > > > > > including their good points as well as their limitations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Scott Howell wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ay, I have to say that the only problem Speakup has ever has is it doesn't > > > > > > type for me thus it doesn't fix all the spelling errors. Seriously though, > > > > > > I find Speakup to be one incredible piece of work. Its made such a > > > > > > difference in my life. Not to sound hokie or anything, but Speakup and > > > > > > Linux have really brought my interest in computers far beyond my wildest > > > > > > dreams. Trapped inmicroslop hell limited me to what I could do and > > > > > > learn. SOme may argue, but I can assure you that there's little windows > > > > > > has ever offered and certainly has never made any task as simple as Linux > > > > > > and Speakup. Kirk and those who have contributed to the development of > > > > > > Speakup deserve a big thank you. I take every opportunity to tell folks > > > > > > about Speakup and the wonderful things the folks involved have done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh > > > > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (8% of Full) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
