Two things come to mind: 1. Download the standard kernel source (not the Redhat or whichever modified one) from someplace like ftp.kernel.org. Untar it...then, get the checkout script from ftp.braille.uwo.ca/pub/speakup and run it. You'll then have the latest CVS version of Speakup which works great on kernel 2.4.8 (that's what I'm running now). -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV | From the pines down to the projects, Email: davros at ycardz.com | Life pushes up through the cracks. Phone: (972) 276-6360 | And it's only going forward, ICQ: 36621210 | And it's never going back.--Small Potatoes