Geoff - Thanks for all that info! I agree about lame, after playing with it for a day or so it really does beat out bladeenc with everything I have tried. I am able to create voice files at 16k sampling rate that sound fantastic. I am also more interested in low bit rates. Chuck. My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh Keep grandma off the streets -- legalize bingo.