On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 1:19 PM, James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > OK, so is the new driver exception gone then? The new driver exception was about supporting new hardware, so we can add things like new ID's etc (or even whole new drivers) later in the development process than the merge window. And any "new code" (that is behind a new config option or totally new system call or something like that, so that the code cannot be triggered by old users) can admittedly get changes more easily if it cannot regress (since it didn't exist before). But that's more a "I'll let it slide for rc2-3" thing than any big concept, and it's definitely not about rc7. And neither of those issues have ever made it acceptable to random pointless churn. If it doesn't add support for new hardware, it's not under some kind of "new hardware support" exception. And just "it's new code, so we cannot possibly regress" is an excuse for making slightly more invasive changes (especially to ABI's etc that need to get fixed before a release), but it's not some blanket "we can do anything" exception. And quite frankly, even the "new driver" exception was about hardware that normal people actually are expected to use. Things that are relevant for a possibly large number of users. If it's something that random people can be expected to pick up and use in Fry's or Office Depot, we want to make sure we have a driver available as soon as humanly possible. In contrast, if it's a driver for some enterprise hardware that is only used by people who are going to run enterprise kernels anyway (ie often several years down the line), there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to merge it late in the release window. The enterprise users aren't using bleeding edge kernels anyway, their time constraints are different. So if people thought it was some carte blanche for "anything goes", people were confused. You need to think about *WHY* we had a "new driver" exception. And realize that it probably will never actually be relevant for any SCSI driver (not counting things like USB storage etc). Linus -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-scsi" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html