I've had a hard time getting a hold of Pat (been trying for a few weeks now). Normally we publish the agenda a week in advance. Thankfully I got a response from him today. After I meet with him tonight and we agree on the topics, I'll be sure to send out an agenda so that you can determine whether it's worth your time. Marc J. Miller AMD Strategic Alliance Manager OSDL Desktop/Client Linux Co-Chairman OSDL Carrier Grade Linux Strategist W: +1 (800) 538-8450 x43325 M: +1 (408) 425-4017 -----Original Message----- From: Preece Scott-PREECE [mailto:scott.preece at motorola.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 3:35 PM To: Greg KH Cc: Miller, Marc; linux-pm at lists.osdl.org Subject: RE: [linux-pm] OSDL Power Management call 8/24/2006 8 a.m. Pacific > From: Greg KH [mailto:greg at kroah.com] > > On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 05:46:25PM -0400, Preece Scott-PREECE wrote: > > > > Well, OSDL is one of several groups formed to try to encourage > > development in areas that its member companies prefer. OSDL has > > topic-specific working groups, which consist of people from member > > companies who are interested in specific technology areas. Those > > working groups meet so they can educate each other, coordinate > > activity, prioritize OSDL's activities on the specific > topics, attempt > > to reach consensus on the direction the members would like to > > encourage, and so forth. > > I for one, am very familiar with what OSDL does, on many > levels, but thanks for the summary :) --- I assumed you were... :-) --- > > > I'm not sure why you think it's outside "the standard process" to > > issue an open invitation to community members to attend a > WG meeting. > > Because kernel development doesn't happen at WG meetings. It > happens when code is posted. To think otherwise is to not > understand the kernel development process. --- So, kernel developers never talk to each other or non-developers except through mailing lists? I don't suppose kernel development happens at OLS, either, but people seem to go anyway. [Well, looking around the OLS sessions, it was clear that some did, but I'm guessing that wasn't the primary intention of bringing people to Canada.] --- ... > > I do however, doubt that a working group meeting is a useful > thing for any kernel developer to spend their time attending, > unless it is at the behalf of their employer. And I say this > as someone who has attended many such meetings at OSDL and > other places. --- Again, kernel developers have no need to get input from people outside the mailing-list community and no interest in sharing information with them? Heads-down coding is the best and highest use of every developer's time (other than, of course, the 100% of time needed to track LKML)? --- > > Again, I will ask these simple questions: > > - Why is the community being invited to such a meeting? --- My assumption was it was (a) intended as a courtesy to involve additional people in what would normally be a members-only meeting and (b) because they wanted an opportunity to speak to and hear from the developers. I'll let Marc or Patrick provide the real answer. --- > - Is there a proposed adgenda so that the community members can > determine if it is worth their time? --- That would be nice (though, if I had a dollar for every meeting I've gone to without a pre-announced agenda, I wouldn't need to go to meetings). Regards, scott
