On 01/15/2016 12:14 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote: > > * One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>> If kernel_power_off() is called then the system should power off. No ifs and >>> whens. >> >> Even if it doesn't the watchdog should kill it. >> >> That is broken on some platforms on the watchdog side as the >> watchdog shuts down during our power off callbacks - because the system >> firmware is too stupid to reset the watchdog as it powers back up (so >> keeps rebooting). >> >> If you watchdog and firmware function properly you shouldn't even have to >> care if you crash during the kernel power off. > > That's a good point as well - if the system is 'stuck' for some notion of stuck, > then watchdog drivers can help. > Seems ARM doesn't have endless loop implemented in machine_power_off() - so, not too much chances for Watchdog to fire. void machine_power_off(void) { local_irq_disable(); smp_send_stop(); if (pm_power_off) pm_power_off(); --- endless loop ? --- or restart ? } [and even if it will be there - 20-30sec is usual timeout for Watchdog and this enough time to burn the system in case of thermal emergency poweroff :(] > Here it's unclear whether user-space even called the sys_reboot() system call. > That's true - original log [1] has Nov 30 11:19:22 [ 5.942769] thermal thermal_zone3: critical temperature reached(108 C),shutting down [...] Nov 30 11:19:24 [ 7.387900] ahci 4a140000.sata: flags: 64bit ncq sntf stag pm led clo only pmp pio slum part ccc apst Nov 30 11:19:24 INIT: Switching to runlevel: 0 Nov 30 11:19:24 INIT: Sending processes the TERM signal and there are no [ 220.004522] reboot: Power down Also, It's not the first time this part of code is discussed (thermal emergency poweroff) [2], so the good question, as for me, is it really required and safe to use orderly_poweroff() in case of thermal emergency poweroff ([3] as example)? In general, this kind of use case can be simulated using SysRq on any arch - [3.290034] Freeing unused kernel memory: 492K (c0a67000 - c0ae2000) INIT: version 2.88 booting Starting udev ^^ The issue most probably might happens when system in the process of loading modules So, once modules loading process is started - fire Sysrq "poweroff(o)" [1] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14326688/ [2] https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/9/18/577 [3] http://review.omapzoom.org/#/c/34898/ -- regards, -grygorii -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-omap" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html