On 02/11/16 12:28, Chaotian Jing wrote: > On Wed, 2016-11-02 at 10:19 +0200, Adrian Hunter wrote: >> On 01/11/16 03:43, Chaotian Jing wrote: >>> On Mon, 2016-10-31 at 15:09 +0200, Adrian Hunter wrote: >>>> On 27/10/16 13:04, Ulf Hansson wrote: >>>>> On 20 October 2016 at 09:06, Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>> On 20 October 2016 at 04:22, Chaotian Jing <chaotian.jing@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 2016-10-19 at 18:41 +0200, Ulf Hansson wrote: >>>>>>>> Adrian, Linus, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for looking into this and reporting! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 18 October 2016 at 15:23, Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 18/10/16 11:36, Linus Walleij wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Before this patch the eMMC is detected and all partitions enumerated >>>>>>>>>>> immediately, but after the patch it doesn't come up at all, except >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes, when it appears minutes (!) after boot, all of a sudden. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> FYI this is what it looks like when it eventually happens: >>>>>>>>>> root@msm8660:/ [ 627.710175] mmc0: new high speed MMC card at address 0001 >>>>>>>>>> [ 627.711641] mmcblk0: mmc0:0001 SEM04G 3.69 GiB >>>>>>>>>> [ 627.715485] mmcblk0boot0: mmc0:0001 SEM04G partition 1 1.00 MiB >>>>>>>>>> [ 627.736654] mmcblk0boot1: mmc0:0001 SEM04G partition 2 1.00 MiB >>>>>>>>>> [ 627.747397] mmcblk0rpmb: mmc0:0001 SEM04G partition 3 128 KiB >>>>>>>>>> [ 627.756326] mmcblk0: p1 p2 p3 p4 < p5 p6 p7 p8 p9 p10 p11 p12 p13 >>>>>>>>>> p14 p15 p16 p17 p18 p19 p20 p21 > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So after 627 seconds, a bit hard for users to wait this long for their >>>>>>>>>> root filesystem. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If the driver does not support busy detection and the eMMC card provides >>>>>>>>> zero as the cmd6 generic timeout (which it may especially as cmd6 generic >>>>>>>>> timeout wasn't added until eMMCv4.5), then __mmc_switch() defaults to >>>>>>>>> waiting 10 minutes i.e. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> #define MMC_OPS_TIMEOUT_MS (10 * 60 * 1000) /* 10 minute timeout */ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Urgh! Yes, I have verified that this is exactly what happens. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So removal of CMD13 polling for HS mode (as per commit >>>>>>>>> 08573eaf1a70104f83fdbee9b84e5be03480e9ed) is going to be a problem for some >>>>>>>>> combinations of eMMC cards and host drivers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I was looking in the __mmc_switch() function, it's just a pain to walk >>>>>>>> trough it :-) So first out I decided to clean it up and factor out the >>>>>>>> polling parts. I will post the patches first out tomorrow morning, >>>>>>>> running some final test right now. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Although, that of course doesn't solve our problem. As I see it we >>>>>>>> only have a few options here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1) In case when cmd6 generic timeout isn't available, let's assign >>>>>>>> another empirically selected value. >>>>>>>> 2) Use a specific timeout when switching to HS mode. >>>>>>>> 3) Even if we deploy 1 (and 2), perhaps we still should allow polling >>>>>>>> with CMD13 for switching to HS mode - unless it causes issues for some >>>>>>>> cards/drivers combination? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BTW, I already tried 2) and it indeed solves the problem, although >>>>>>>> depending on the selected timeout, it might delay the card detection >>>>>>>> to process. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thoughts? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just have a try of switching to HS mode with Hynix EMMC, the first >>>>>>> CMD13 gets response of 0x900, but the EMMC is still pull-low DAT0. so >>>>>>> that CMD13 cannot indicate current card status in this case. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for sharing that. Okay, so clearly we have some cards that >>>>>> don't supports polling with CMD13 when switching to HS mode. >>>>>> One could of course add quirks for these kind of cards and do a fixed >>>>>> delay for them, but then to find out which these cards are is going to >>>>>> be hard. >>>>>> >>>>>> It seems like we are left with using a fixed delay. Any ideas of what >>>>>> such delay should be? And should we have one specific for switch to >>>>>> the various speed modes and a different one that overrides the CMD6 >>>>>> generic timout, when it doesn't exist? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Replying to my own earlier response, as I believe the problem could >>>>> also be related to another old commit, see below. >>>>> >>>>> commit a27fbf2f067b0cd6f172c8b696b9a44c58bfaa7a >>>>> Author: Seungwon Jeon <tgih.jun@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>> Date: Wed Sep 4 21:21:05 2013 +0900 >>>>> >>>>> mmc: add ignorance case for CMD13 CRC error >>>>> >>>>> While speed mode is changed, CMD13 cannot be guaranteed. >>>>> According to the spec., it is not recommended to use CMD13 >>>>> to check the busy completion of the timing change. >>>>> If CMD13 is used in this case, CRC error must be ignored. >>>>> >>>>> Signed-off-by: Seungwon Jeon <tgih.jun@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>> Acked-by: Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>> Signed-off-by: Chris Ball <cjb@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The intent with this commit was not really correct. We don't want to >>>>> ignore CRC errors, but instead we should *re-try* sending CMD13 once >>>>> we get a CRC error. >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunate since this commit, instead we tell the host driver to >>>>> *ignore* CRC errors and instead reads the status and returns 0 >>>>> (indicating success). In the mmc core, in __mmc_switch(), it will thus >>>>> parse the status reply, even for a reply that might have been received >>>>> with a CRC error. Not good! >>>> >>>> I agree: ignoring CRC errors and then expecting the status in the response >>>> to be correct doesn't make sense. >>>> >>>> However, it raises the question of what to do if there are always CRC errors >>>> e.g. if it only works without CRC errors once the mode and frequency are >>>> changed in the host controller. >>>> >>>>> I am wondering whether this actually is the main problem to why we >>>>> think polling isn't working for some cases. And perhaps that was the >>>>> original problem Chaotian was trying to solve? >>>>> >>>>> Thoughts? >>>> >>>> Does Chaotian have a real problem since his driver has busy detection anyway? >>> >>> In fact, I have not encounter CRC errors of CMD13, I have tried several >>> eMMC cards, after mode switch, CMD13 will only gets 0x800 response and >>> we don't know if card is busy by 0x800 response. >> >> Does it change to 0x900 when it is not busy? >> > No, it will not change to 0x900 when it is not busy. > >> But anyway the question was: do you have busy detection in your driver? >> > driver has busy detection ops->card_busy() but seems it's MMC core > layer's responsibility to ensure that card is not busy when driver > starts to issue commands. I tried a card here. The time between HS switch response and busy de-assertion was only 58us i.e. practically instant. The CMD6 response was 0x800 but the subsequent CMD13 response was 0x900. 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