hermann pitton wrote: > Am Samstag, den 23.05.2009, 22:12 +0200 schrieb David Lister: > >> Manu Abraham wrote: >> >>> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 9:42 PM, David Lister <foceni@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Manu Abraham wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2009/5/23 David Lister <foceni@xxxxxxxxx>: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Not sure if you didn't get this email already, I had a slip-up while >>>>>> sending it. :) Anyway, there's also another supported card with a CI. A >>>>>> friend of mine has it, so I guess it works quite well with Linux. It's >>>>>> Mystique SaTiX-S2 (AFAIK, similar to KNC1+). Mystiques have rather >>>>>> quality finish and the CI module is ready for 3.5" drive installation. >>>>>> Some pictures from google: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.cesarex.com/images/Mystique-CI-1.jpg >>>>>> http://www.sat-servis.cz/data/eshop/fotky/produkty/velke/619.jpg >>>>>> >>>>>> Others might be able to tell you more details, I just know it works - >>>>>> friend has a Cryptoworks CAM in it. Take a look around, bye. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> The Mystique is just a rebranded KNC1+ which just uses the same >>>>> STB0899 module, FYI. :-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Not exactly. People usually say it is a rebrand/clone of KNC1+, but it's >>>> not. :) There are couple of differences -- Mystique is a lighter version >>>> missing these features: >>>> 1) Signal passthrough via loop-out connector >>>> 2) Video input port for analogue capture >>>> >>>> I'm glad you reminded me of this misconception, the differences might be >>>> important for somebody. I was considering Mystique for myself, but chose >>>> CX24116 over STB0899, because this time, I wanted official support. I >>>> don't need analogue capture and CI anyway (I use softcam and for analog, >>>> much better Hauppauge PVR-500). I suggest Mystique instead of KNC1+ for >>>> purely practical reasons - it's more available, cheaper and nicer. :) >>>> >>>> >>> No misconceptions: >>> >>> >> Oh, but there are. We were both talking about the sat version of KNC1+, >> not KNC1! You said and I quote: "The Mystique is just a rebranded >> KNC1+", which is not true. That's why I originally said that it's >> *similar* to Mystique, which *is* true. It might be the same as plain >> KNC1 or dozens of other rebranded versions, but that wasn't the point. >> The misconception is that "Mystique is KNC1+ clone" -- it is not. >> Perhaps I could have mentioned basic TV Station DVB-S too, but I didn't >> expect I'll have to defend every word I say. Now that I think about it, >> I'm glad I didn't - your inability to comprehend the simplest of >> meanings shines like the sun. >> >> Your follow-up comment was completely useless, arbitrary trolling. If >> you could face the life like a man instead of a cry baby, you wouldn't >> have the need to patronise me (unsuccessfully:)) in an unrelated thread >> just because of our earlier argument. You should be ashamed of yourself. >> You're a DVB driver developer and you have a hard time arguing with >> somebody who has seen DVB-S for the first time in his life a month ago! >> >> >>> So support for it just appeared like magic ? >>> >>> >> Were you arguing with one of your other personalities in your head that >> I missed something? I'm afraid you are a bit confused today, or you >> misinterpret the meaning of my words on purpose, or are just pissed off >> at me. :) Whatever. Because it might be your weak English, I'm not going >> to call you an idiot like you called me a few times today, even though >> this time it *would* be appropriate. It's the same thing as in the other >> thread all over again. It's impossible to have a normal intelligent >> conversation with you. I'm not going to support your trolling any more. >> >> As usual, I wish you good luck in your efforts. Looks like you need it. >> > > David, > > as said previously, you can't mark whole companies as bad and especially > about TechnoTrend you should know much more. > Hello, I presume this is about the other thread, right? I didn't mark the whole TT as a bad company, at least I didn't intend to do so. We were talking about a single product, or to be more precise, maturity of its Linux support. If I didn't like TT as a whole, I wouldn't have written the last email (in that thread)... :) The company info was just a summation of their press releases, which no doubt is relevant for this list. AFAIK, it hasn't been mentioned yet. We'll see how the situation develops, I'm just as curious as others. It could even be good news for us. > This starts with reading the DVB headers to get at least an idea of it. > > In short, Manu is right and you are wrong. > > Or take over better maintenance of v4l-dvb 24/7 :) > This is actually quite simple - the problem is that Manu here drags irrelevant stuff into arguments just so he can be "be right" (about these *irrelevant* facts of his choosing), every time he is proven wrong on the issue at hand. This way all discussions would be endless, snowballing new and new aspects without any relation to the original issue. Let's sum it up: A) I recommended Mystique: it's supported and has the features OP wanted. I said it was *similar* to the popular & well known KNC1+ (*it is* similar: it's a lighter version, same as KNC1) B) Manu joined in, blabbering that Mystique is not similar, but identical to _KNC1+_ (just, you know, "to correct" me). That is *not true*, however. It's a KNC1 clone, not KNC1+. A) I've seen this mistake several times, so I explained the differences of the lighter Mystique (and - in effect - of the plain KNC1) for OP's sake. B) When he saw his mistake ("The Mystique is just a rebranded _KNC1+_"), he dragged in irrelevant facts: the driver and descriptions of all variants of this card -- just so he could say something he's "right" about. By doing that, he implies I was disagreeing with it, but how could I - he just dragged it in. You see how it works? This is the most effective troll technique, because it generates infinite arguments drifting farther and farther away from the real issue. People can't usually restrain themselves and they carry on spamming. It is possible his erroneous statement ("The Mystique is just a rebranded KNC1+") was just a typo and he meant plain KNC1, but he should have said so and corrected himself. Instead, he started a flame to cover it by making *me* the one who made a mistake. I know about his work, indeed I always wish him luck, but I will have none of this. Being a developer doesn't give him the right to insult people to hide his own mistakes. Most of us here are developers and nobody gets a special treatment in discussions. Let's not fuel this nonsense any more... In short, Manu was wrong and I was right. ;o) See you around, mate -- Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
