On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Volker Lendecke <Volker.Lendecke@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > The nice thing about this is also that if this is supposed > to be fully usable for Windows clients, the birthtime needs > to be changeable. That's what NTFS semantics gives you, thus > Windows clients tend to require it. Ok. So it's not really a creation date, exactly the same way ctime isn't at all a creation date. And maybe that actually hints at a better solution: maybe a better model is to create a new per-thread flag that says "do ctime updates the way windows does them". So instead of adding another "btime" - which isn't actually what even windows does - just admit that the _real_ issue is that Unix and Windows semantics are different for the pre-existing "ctime". The fact is, windows has "access time", "modification time" and "creation time" _exactly_ like UNIX. It's just that the ctime has slightly different semantics in windows vs unix. So quite frankly, it's totally insane to introduce a "birthtime", when that isn't even what windows wants, just because people cannot face the actual real difference. Tell me why we shouldn't just do this right? Linus -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-fsdevel" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html